Clock and horn question
 

Situation... A foul is called at the moment clock goes to 00.0 and the horn blast starts... The TK hits the clock stop button when he sees the official raise the arm... Will the horn still sound for its full duration, i.e., 2 or 3 seconds, or does the clock kill also kill the horn such that the horn would sound for only a fraction of a second?

what does any of that matter? i dont get the question or its relevance to the game of basketball?

What difference would it make?

Finally...a question CHS can answer in depth! :D

Half A Horn ???
 

After thirty years of hearing lots of horns, in lots of gyms, I believe that some horns will stop part way through their "sound" if the clock operator hits the stop clock button at 0:00. I don't know why it would matter, rulewise, the horn still sounded.

A situation I experienced as a TK in a frantic sequence at the end of regulation time prompted this question. As a TK, knowing what a clock-horn will do in this situation is significant to me. In a very, very noisy gym, a very short horn blast, e.g., two tenths, may not be well heard. A full blast is more likely to be heard, even over the noise. I guess I can just test each clock beforehand to know what I've got.

This is something you can note before the game. When the clock is running down during warm ups, you can note how the horn will blast when the clock runs down to zero.

It all depends on the scoreboard manufacturer's specifications on how long the horn after hitting the clock stop button. It can also depend on the year of manufacturing.

APG, Thanks for the vote of confidence.

Not always is the clock going to be allowed to run all the way down to :00.0 before the game.

First, you're a timer, period. There's no such thing as a TK.

Second, it makes no difference, as the horn ends the period no matter how long it sounds.

Now, did that really need to be said?

Since he's the tiemr, I believe he is probably the one who gets to decide whether it runs all the way down or not.

Good grief.

Timekeeper means the same thing as timer. Unless I'm mistaken it's an older term that has previously been used.

Yes the horn ends the period, however I can see the reasoning for asking especially in noisy gyms where it might be hard to heard a short horn blast.

Actually it all depends on GM as a whole, not just the timer.

For example: here for Varsity Games, once the minute horn sounds the clock is stopped & reset to 8:00 & team introductions are done.

The same was done during 3A/4A Regionals last year.

It would not surprise me if the same procedure is to be used for the JUCO Tournament in March.

First, the term is timer. Don't believe me, have somebody read it to you from the rule book. So how aobut we teach the newbie the proper term?

Second, if the horn sounds, the period is over. It doesn't matter how loud the damn gym is. The clock will be at zero and the officials will group to see if either of them or the table heard the horn. Someone will have.

None of that means a thing. If the guy needs to learn about the horn, he can allow the time to run down and see what the horn sounds like.

eagle, could you do us all a favor and just STFU?

BBR can you be a little bit circumspect? There are many times over the years you have been more overbearing than CHS has been.

BBR, I said game management as a whole.

All I am saying is that not always will it be allowed for the clock to completely run to zero for pregame.

Also I am being civilized in my responses, please do the same.

Does hypocrite and bully mean anything to you? You are exhibiting the epitome of "keeping posts civil" :rolleyes:


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And nobody cares whether you will always be allowed to completely run the clock down to zero for pregame. It has NOTHING to do with the thread.

If the man is going to work the clock, no one is going to stop him from checking it out and seeing how it works. You know it, I know, and everybody here knows it. So please don't bore us with all this other nonsense.

ref2coach, different boards, different standards. Not my rules over there, I just have to enforce them. Rules aren't as strict here. Don't like it? Makes no difference to me.

The term is timer. You say you have a rule book so it should be easy to look up. Remember, on this forum, we speak officiating, therefore we use officiating terms.

Also if the timer really is concerned with the horn, he could very easily test out the clock by setting it close to zero and letting the clock run. All he would have to do is note how much time was on the clock before he did this.

A good suggestion then would be to do a dry run before the shootarounds/pregame starts. Set the clock for like 10 secs. & run it down from there & do a quick stop clock as the horn sounds & see what happens.

APG, I am meaning in the past the term "timekeeper" was used instead of timer, possibly.

All the rule books I've read do say "Timer", however I was asking for clarification that maybe way back when the term "timekeeper" might of been used.

You mean like checking it out and seeing how it works. What a wonderful idea. :rolleyes:

It doesn't matter. BBR was correctly informing the OP of the correct terminology used today. Whatever was used in the past is irrelevant.

IOW getting there to the game site far enough in advance that if you do not know the controls you can play around with them.

Before the pregame countdown starts, if that is possble.

Like I was saying earlier, letting the clock run down to :00.0 for pregame cannot always be done, as it depends on how game management wants things done.

I was not arguing that fact, except that the OP might be used to the older term.

Ya-but!! :rolleyes: