What are "we" telling coaches?

Rock Chalk

I never use the word set when talking about charge/block, i only use LGP. And yes, they are telling me they are being told by other officials that players are set or not.

JRutledge

Rock Chalk wrote
I never use the word set when talking about charge/block, i only use LGP. And yes, they are telling me they are being told by other officials that players are set or not.

Then believe them. That is your choice. But I do not believe most of what comes out of their coach's mouths as I have asked them specifically and when you talk to the official there is a different story. Life is about choices man. 😉

Peace

Raymond

Rock Chalk wrote
I never use the word set when talking about charge/block, i only use LGP. And yes, they are telling me they are being told by other officials that players are set or not.

Coaches lie, especially about what another officials supposedly told them.

Jurassic Referee

JRutledge wrote
But I do not believe most of what comes out of their coach's mouths as I have asked them specifically and when you talk to the official there is a different story.

And that is why you should always get both sides, folks.

Judtech

Rock Chalk wrote
I never use the word set when talking about charge/block, i only use LGP. And yes, they are telling me they are being told by other officials that players are set or not.

+1. As noted previously, this erroneous information has been passed on to a coaching staff I am familiar with. Along with all sorts of interesting "interpretations".

TheOracle

Rock Chalk wrote
In the past week of varsity games I have been told by 3 different coaches that they have never heard that the defender doesn't have to be "set" to take a charge. I know I am going to hear that I shouldn't believe what they are saying, but in all honesty, I believe them. They think the defender needs to be set to take a charge. I explain legal guarding position and all that, and they look like a deer in headlights.

What are other refs telling coaches? Why is this such a difficult concept to understand?

Real simple: "The defender got there" or "he didn't get there". You can add an "I don't believe he got there" or "I believe he got there" if that helps manage the reaction. Coaches get that, and there is no other place for them to go with that line except to T-Ville. It's the same as "I disagree." It ends all legitimate conversation as nicely as possible from our end.

BillyMac

TheOracle wrote
"The defender got there" or "he didn't get there".

Got where? I think that the phrase "got there" implies that the defender can't move. Keep in mind that once he gets "there", he's allowed to move in several directions: backward, diagonally backward and to the left, diagonally backward and to the right, left, and right. And we can add up to that list if you want to add a third dimension.

bainsey

I've also had more than one coach look at me funny when I mention "LGP." That doesn't mean you should quit trying.

Keep fighting the good fight with the correct terminology. The more that do it, the more likely everyone will be on the same page.

Adam

what they've been told and what they've heard are often two separate things.

Adam

Judtech wrote
+1. As noted previously, this erroneous information has been passed on to a coaching staff I am familiar with. Along with all sorts of interesting "interpretations".

I don't question the questionable interpretations that get passed to coaches over the years. I do, however, question his statement that he's "never" heard about LGP.

Judtech

Snaqwells wrote
I don't question the questionable interpretations that get passed to coaches over the years. I do, however, question his statement that he's "never" heard about LGP.

I will go with that. But I also have heard OFFICIALS say they have never heard of it either!! Honestly, you should see some of the looks the Mrs gets when she asks "Why did you think she was not in LGP?" 😀

zm1283

Judtech wrote
I will go with that. But I also have heard OFFICIALS say they have never heard of it either!! Honestly, you should see some of the looks the Mrs gets when she asks "Why did you think she was not in LGP?" 😃

This is at least somewhat true. I hear fellow officials talk about "over the back", "reaching", and "He wasn't set" all the time. I also see other officials move all the players behind the division line during technical FTs, among other things.

Rock Chalk

zm1283 wrote
This is at least somewhat true. I hear fellow officials talk about "over the back", "reaching", and "He wasn't set" all the time. I also see other officials move all the players behind the division line during technical FTs, among other things.

This is what I am talking about.

BktBallRef

Judtech wrote
I will go with that. But I also have heard OFFICIALS say they have never heard of it either!! Honestly, you should see some of the looks the Mrs gets when she asks "Why did you think she was not in LGP?" 😃

Those officials are just wondering what you're wife is talking about, since no coach knows what legal guarding position is.

Judtech

BktBallRef wrote
Those officials are just wondering what you're wife is talking about, since no coach knows what legal guarding position is.

Well played, well played. I can neither confirm nor deny where she got the idea to use that type of verbiage.😃

TheOracle

BillyMac wrote
Got where? I think that the phrase "got there" implies that the defender can't move. Keep in mind that once he gets "there", he's allowed to move in several directions: backward, diagonally backward and to the left, diagonally backward and to the right, left, and right. And we can add up to that list if you want to add a third dimension.

No, it means the defender beat the offensive player to the spot, cut him off, won the play, and earned the call.

Adam

TheOracle wrote
No, it means the defender beat the offensive player to the spot, cut him off, won the play, and earned the call.

Maybe to those of us who know the rule, but to those who don't, it means he isn't supposed to move. When an official who knows the rule says "over the back," he means push. When he says "reach," he generally means illegal use of the hands. When a coach who doesn't understand the rules hears those terms, he thinks something else entirely.

NoFussRef

BillyMac wrote
Got where? I think that the phrase "got there" implies that the defender can't move. Keep in mind that once he gets "there", he's allowed to move in several directions: backward, diagonally backward and to the left, diagonally backward and to the right, left, and right. And we can add up to that list if you want to add a third dimension.

you forgot upwards. 🙂

BillyMac

NoFussRef wrote
You forgot upwards.

Look again.

Rich

Snaqwells wrote
Maybe to those of us who know the rule, but to those who don't, it means he isn't supposed to move. When an official who knows the rule says "over the back," he means push. When he says "reach," he generally means illegal use of the hands. When a coach who doesn't understand the rules hears those terms, he thinks something else entirely.

Eh, I'm OK with that phraseology myself. Maybe I'm getting soft.