Can I give my partner a T??? (long)

[rockyroad]

So, Robby, in your book this guy is all done. Washed up. Game over. Put him away. Screw him. Etc., etc...

Nothing like taking the easy way out.

Of course, following up with this horrible partner would just be too much to ask of any sane, decent, outstanding official like yourself. Got any idea what was going on with the guy? Had he just been told his wife was diagnosed with cancer? Maybe his oldest son was in a car accident that afternoon? Did you even bother to freaking ask him??

Nope - you're just done with him and will do whatever it takes to make sure he doesn't ever work with you again. And probably tell all your friends to do the same.

Yes sir...that's the best way to handle this whole mess. Screw him - he "deserves it".

[RobbyinTN]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

So, Robby, in your book this guy is all done. Washed up. Game over. Put him away. Screw him. Etc., etc...

Nothing like taking the easy way out.

Of course, following up with this horrible partner would just be too much to ask of any sane, decent, outstanding official like yourself. Got any idea what was going on with the guy? Had he just been told his wife was diagnosed with cancer? Maybe his oldest son was in a car accident that afternoon? Did you even bother to freaking ask him??

Nope - you're just done with him and will do whatever it takes to make sure he doesn't ever work with you again. And probably tell all your friends to do the same.

Yes sir...that's the best way to handle this whole mess. Screw him - he "deserves it".

It was very obvious by talking to him at half time and after the game that he had no intentions of changing and in a round about way he basically told me he didn't care to hear any constructive advice - that he knows the game and isn't going to take anything off anyone. He still thought he did nothing wrong and felt the coach had it coming. Does this sound like a guy who wants mentoring? Does this sound like a guy who is looking to improve or one who things that since he is wearing a stripped shirt that he can act however he wants on the floor?

Now if I see him at camp this year (which when I mentioned it to him, he told me he sees no need to go to BTW) and he is showing a desire to improve, I will be glad to work with him but based on his comments Saturday, I don't think that will happen.

There are too many good young upcoming officials who have a desire to be the best official they can be to worry about a middle aged, hot headed ,ex- coach who thinks he has the right to say whatever he wants to a coach and sees nothing wrong with it. I have seen some young officials come into the game with little experience, who make tons of mistakes but are willing to listen and imporve and turned into outstanding officials.

And if you are having a bad day, you don't take it out on the coaches. It is unacceptable for a coach to yell at an official and even more unacceptable for an official to yell at a coach. In 20 years of officiating I had never witnessed this type of behavior from an official until Saturday

Sorry, maybe I look like a bad guy but it is what it is.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RobbyinTN

It was very obvious by talking to him at half time and after the game that he had no intentions of changing and in a round about way he basically told me he didn't care to hear any constructive advice - that he knows the game and isn't going to take anything off anyone. He still thought he did nothing wrong and felt the coach had it coming. Does this sound like a guy who wants mentoring? Does this sound like a guy who is looking to improve or one who things that since he is wearing a stripped shirt that he can act however he wants on the floor?

Now if I see him at camp this year (which when I mentioned it to him, he told me he sees no need to go to BTW) and he is showing a desire to improve, I will be glad to work with him but based on his comments Saturday, I don't think that will happen.

There are too many good young upcoming officials who have a desire to be the best official they can be to worry about a middle aged, hot headed ,ex- coach who thinks he has the right to say whatever he wants to a coach and sees nothing wrong with it. I have seen some young officials come into the game with little experience, who make tons of mistakes but are willing to listen and imporve and turned into outstanding officials.

And if you are having a bad day, you don't take it out on the coaches. It is unacceptable for a coach to yell at an official and even more unacceptable for an official to yell at a coach. In 20 years of officiating I had never witnessed this type of behavior from an official until Saturday

Sorry, maybe I look like a bad guy but it is what it is.

Sorry, you were talking to him when emotions were still high. Like I said, unless you know more of the story, you don't really have a right to judge his ability as an official. One bad game doesn't make him a bad official.

Maybe:
1. He'd been taking sh1t all year and finally had enough. Yeah, the coach's comments were made cordially, from what you could hear, but I'm guessing you hadn't heard every comment the coach made to him all half.
2. Maybe his wife told him she wanted a divorce.
3. Maybe his dad was just diagnosed with xxxxx.

If he's adamant to you about it at half time, write him off for the game and GIGDGO, but don't throw him under the bus.

And if you do, don't go bragging on here about how great a mentor you are. Maybe you're not as cut out for it as you think you are.

Maybe you are, and this is just a bad game and we shouldn't write you off. But then again, that's my whole point, isn't it?

[RobbyinTN]

First I don't recall "bragging" about mentoring. I have said, just like others here, that I enjoy helping young officials. The difference in this guy and EVERY other new official I have worked with is that he acted as if he was the veteran with nothing to learn and nothing that needed changing. I have been doing this 20 years and still realize I can learn and improve.

BTW my assigner called me today about him. Seems the game administrator witnessed the confrontation and was not happy with neither the coach or my partner and called the assigner. The assignedr said this was not the first complaint he had received about the guy this year and would be reviewing whether he uses him in the future. He said the only reason he got the game Saturday was he was the only one close and available with such short notice

He also got onto me for not issuing the coach a T. I told him under the circumstances I felt it would have made the sitaution worse. He said he would have HTBT to know for sure but felt he would have issued one.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RobbyinTN

He also got onto me for not issuing the coach a T. I told him under the circumstances I felt it would have made the sitaution worse. He said he would have HTBT to know for sure but felt he would have issued one.

I've said this before and I'll say it again; whether a T would make a situation better or worse shouldn't come into consideration.

Simple: Did the coach earn it or not?

95 times out of 100, it will make the situation better if it was an earned T. It doesn't mean the T shouldn't have been given the other 5, though. And just because the situation got better on its own does not mean the right decision was made by not giving a T, either.

As for whether you were "bragging," that's for you to decide; but you've mentioned it multiple times along with how long you've been working. I've got nothing against that per se, and just because it didn't work with this guy doesn't mean anything.