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coachgrd Tue Nov 05, 2002 10:07am

A little poll here...

What in your professional opinions is the most misunderstood rule by coaches? I know there are several coaches who read this board (and some ever have the guts to post!) and we might be able to come to a better understanding with your help.

I've read the board and have picked up a great deal myself through your discussions!

Thanks and have a good day,
CoachGRD

refjef40 Tue Nov 05, 2002 10:20am

In my humble opinion over the back rebounding or three seconds during loose balls.Many times a player who is blocked out can still jump and reach over a lesser player and get a rebound without fouling.The coach will scream over the back everytime though.Many coaches also don't realize once a shot gos up there is no more three second count.I will see three or for put attempts with the coach yelling three seconds in my ear.

ChuckElias Tue Nov 05, 2002 10:22am

Hmmm, I think it's probably pretty close to a tie. I'd say most coaches really have little if any grasp of Rules 1 through 10. :D

Seriously, I could only guess. The 3-second rule is a good candidate.

Chuck

mick Tue Nov 05, 2002 10:42am

After obtaining initial legal guarding position a defender may move laterally, backward or obliquely.... No time, or distance, is required when guarding the ball handler.

zebraman Tue Nov 05, 2002 10:46am

I've never met a coach yet who understood the backcourt rule in the scenario where team A has acheived control in front court and then B1 knocks the ball off the A1 in front court and then a team A player is the first to touch in backcourt.

Z

ScottParks Tue Nov 05, 2002 10:49am

Quote:

Originally posted by coachgrd
A little poll here...

What in your professional opinions is the most misunderstood rule by coaches? I know there are several coaches who read this board (and some ever have the guts to post!) and we might be able to come to a better understanding with your help.

I've read the board and have picked up a great deal myself through your discussions!

Thanks and have a good day,
CoachGRD

I'd say rule 4!

Nevadaref Tue Nov 05, 2002 10:56am

I'm with Mick. How many times have you heard, "He wasn't set!" after calling a player control foul because the defender was moving backward when the offense ran him over?
I will also note that I believe quite a few officials don't understand this rule either!

JRutledge Tue Nov 05, 2002 11:31am

Quote:

Originally posted by ScottParks


I'd say rule 4!

What about Rule 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10? All from a coaches perspective. :D

Peace

AK ref SE Tue Nov 05, 2002 12:48pm

I would say the "Over The Back" on rebounds as stated in an above post, and the Player Control Foul where the player is still moving but has gained a legal guarding posistion

AK ref SE

Mark Padgett Tue Nov 05, 2002 01:15pm

This is an easy one. The most misunderstood rule by coaches is the rule that I am always right.

ScottParks Tue Nov 05, 2002 02:54pm

Quote:

Originally posted by JRutledge
Quote:

Originally posted by ScottParks


I'd say rule 4!

What about Rule 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10? All from a coaches perspective. :D

Peace

Since rule 4 took up the most pages and the most articles.....

I just figured it had to be the "most" misunderstood...

:D

Jay R Tue Nov 05, 2002 07:53pm

This one is a little off-topic beacause it was a parent not a coach who made this comment.

The story goes that a parent asked the ref after the game why did they not call (3 in the key) more often. The ref tried to answer politely but the mom was adament. She said:"Sometimes, there were 4 or 5 players in the key"

Makes you wonder.

deeno27 Tue Nov 05, 2002 08:25pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
This is an easy one. The most misunderstood rule by coaches is the rule that I am always right.
Yup....that's the one!!

Diana

APHP Wed Nov 06, 2002 08:07am

Try calling a "charge"--and then go to the other end and shoot a one and one..then TRY to explain to the coach the difference between a charge and a player control foul..For that reason I don't call "charge" any more--a charge is now a "push".

Larks Wed Nov 06, 2002 08:40am

My Fav
 
I'm going with 3 seconds for the kids games especially. I love the coach who is over there counting out loud as there is a shot being attempted or on the way already.

Legal moving picks are always fun to hear about.

And finally...over and back when A1 still has one of three points in the BC and decides to go back! Thats always a crowd pleaser!

Larks
VIT


AK ref SE Wed Nov 06, 2002 12:21pm

JayR-

ANd all these years I have been calling three in the key, when there has been only two players in the key....No wonder the coaches were getting mad!

AK ref SE

Mark Padgett Wed Nov 06, 2002 01:06pm

Re: My Fav
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Larks
I'm going with 3 seconds for the kids games especially. I love the coach who is over there counting out loud as there is a shot being attempted or on the way already.

Legal moving picks are always fun to hear about.

And finally...over and back when A1 still has one of three points in the BC and decides to go back! Thats always a crowd pleaser!

Larks
VIT


Whenever a coach counts out loud like that, tell him that everytime he counts, it confuses you and you have to start over.

fletch_irwin_m Wed Nov 06, 2002 01:45pm

Heard a good one last nite from a fellow official.
Was at a game this year and had a fan just SCREAMING "3 Seconds!!" During a time out, the official was standing by where the fan was sitting and said "Hey, do you know that everyone is laughing at you?"
Fan "Why is that?"
Official "Everyone knows that there is no more "3 Second" rule.
Fan "really?'
Official "Yep, it went out about two years ago. When was the last time you saw it called?
Fan "Now that you mention it, I haven't seen it called in years"
Official "There you go then. Just thought I would help you out"

iref21 Wed Nov 06, 2002 01:48pm

I would have to agree with Mick on this question!

Alot of coaches and players confuse the block/charge situations with time and distance. In my short time officiating I have heard some interesting statements made about block/charge situations. It's pretty simple, a legal guarding position is a legal guarding position.

rainmaker Wed Nov 06, 2002 03:33pm

The hardest rule for an off-season coach (who is really a dad, helping out) is any rule that has changed since he was in high school.

DownTownTonyBrown Wed Nov 06, 2002 06:51pm

Screens and incidental contact.

"That's a moving screen, Ref (no contact)."

"Holy cow! He knocked him down and no foul call? (legally set pick, outside field of vision with significant contact but no pushing through)"

DownTownTonyBrown Wed Nov 06, 2002 06:53pm

Three seconds is just an easy one for coaches because they can count that far.... and they like to help.

Tim Roden Wed Nov 06, 2002 10:51pm

From the home office.
 
10. 3 seconds
9. illegal screens
8. carrying
7. multiple foul rule. (ok officials don't understand that either)
6. 10.3.4
5. overtheback
4. backcourt violation
3. incedental contact
2. block/charge legal guarding position


and the #1 answer
1. 10.4.1 unsporting behavior including trying to influence an officials decision.


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