crowd rushes court
 

I've been noticing in NCAA Contests that as soon as the final buzzer sounds that the fans are allowed to rush the court.

Why are fans allowed to be more unsporting in NCAA than what is allowed in HS athletics?

The officials have not left the confines of the court, so why is not a T given?

There is no rule at any level against anyone "rushing the court" after the game is over.

Probably because there's no rule about fans rushing the court when the game is over at any level.

Second, no one in their right mind finds this to be unsporting. If an official even thought about calling a T when the game is over, then they would be committing career suicide. If you're able to become an official next year CHS, might I suggest to never, ever make this call.

Actually JAR, here, especially for State Playoffs, no one is to rush the court after a game is over with. But then there's also bicycle barricades & paid crowd control between the fans & the court here for the State Championship games.

I'd love to see some of these threads receive the correct answer and then have no further posts. :)

There's paid crowd control at college games, too. But that won't stop 10,000 drunk college kids from getting what they want.

EDIT: Oh, and at my alma mater, they always made an announcement that nobody is allowed to rush the court...but it happens anyway

The point being made is, as officials, we have no idea nor do we care to on this one.

Why?

Do the math.

Thousands of fans vs. a dozen or so security and officiating crew.

Unless there's more business to be had (free throws, et al), save yourself and get off the damn court.

How is rushing the court to celebrate unsporting?


A) no rule against it
B) Officials don't care- their job is done
C) no way to stop it. Part of my job involves controlling large amounts of people and the only way you can do that effectively is with a large amount of police and security yourself. It's not worth even trying if you don't have sufficient numbers which I can tell you they most likely don't.

chaseagle - I haven't been on this forum all that long but lurked for a while before joining. Based on some of the comments you make, I hope you never get the opportunity to officiate a game. From reading your posts I get the idea that the "power" woudl go to your head and you would be giving T's left and right, throwing people out of the gym, ejecting players and coaches, etc.

The game does not need officials like that. I have dealt with table personnel like you and it makes for a LONG night :rolleyes:

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Chseagle, MANY of your posts seem to focus on the most trivial things that officials, scorers, and others should NEVER worry about.

While reading some of your posts I have had the same thoughts. IE- I hope this guy never becomes a game official because he just does not seem to have the temperment or judgement required to be a good official.

JMHO.

I knew a girl who used to say that. :rolleyes:

I thought I had chseagle as a scorer in my game on Friday. Midway through the second quarter, I'm buzzed over to the table. Scorer says to me "Number 5's shirt is untucked and he was already warned about it." :eek: Number 5 also happened to be the visiting team's best player...

What did the scorer say when you removed him? :D

Wow, I would be hard pressed not to roll my eyes.

LMAO.

Exactly. With some table personell it's almost like you have to tell them, "Don't buzz us, we'll buzz you if we need something."

"Listen, Sparky, you don't see me coming over here and telling you what kind of pencil to use...."

I was asking about the fans rushing due to the teams having the inability to do the "good game" line thanks to the fans wanting to congratulate the players for winning & wanting to taunt the losing team at the same time.

RookieDude has seen me at the table as both Shot Clock Operator & Timer/Scoreboard, so technically he's the only one that can truly pass judgement.

Would that be a No. 2 up the rear or through the eye? :D:rolleyes::eek:

The "good game" line isn't required at the end of the game. I doubt the visiting team wants to participate if they lost the game in a fashion where the fans would be rushing the court.

You should ask yourself this, if this was unsporting, then why haven't you seen it called as such? Answer is because it isn't, and no official worth a grain of salt would call it as such. To do so would end any more relevant games he/she would receive.

Concerning security at NCAA Athletics, the average ratio is between 1 security to 100 fans to 1 security to 2,000 fans depending on the venue & the game.

As long as the security personnel are properly trained & aware anything is possible as long as they plan ahead for any situation.

I was also curious as to why it's a trend in NCAA Athletics, yet rarely seen in HS & Pro Athletics.

My school lost a playoff game at home when I was a senior. The visiting team drained a layup with seconds left to win the game after we had rallied earlier in the fourth quarter. All of their fans rushed the court while we stood around in disbelief.

It happens, probably more than you think.

If a stadium wants to rush the field/court, it WILL happen. It's a simple numbers game.

Also, rushing the court probably happens more often then you think at the high school level as Welpe pointed out. I have seen it happen a couple of times to games I've attended. Usually as a result of a last second shot. I think part of the reason fans don't rush the field/court for professional sports is..well it just isn't done. It's not really part of the tradition. High school and more so at the college level, it's been tradition to rush in certain situations. Other factors include the success of the school's program, rivalry game, championship game, etc.

And totally off topic (not that this thread is even on topic), why do you put your quoted text under your reply instead of replying under the quoted text? It makes your posts harder to read and is not in line with what everyone else does here.

I know the rushing can happen, however if the security team knows about it & prepares in advance, things can still be orderly.

Concerning my replies with quoted text, after Bob asked me to post underneath I have been doing that as Bob has asked. In the situations where I post above the quoted text, is due to commenting on something outside the context of the quoted text.

Alrighty then
 

Please to be explaining how you would solve this situation.

Lets hypothetically say you're in a good sized town and you manage to have four policeman/security people at the rivalry game for the league championship (we usually get two) and several hundred people rush the court - after being warned publically no to.

NCAA or NFHS rules - you pick. :p

And be orderly!

Too Good Of A Straight Line, Couldn't Pass It Up ...
 

Constipated mathematicians work it out with a pencil.

The Bay State ...
 

You, sir, obviously don't officiate in Massachusetts.

Well depending on the state association, would write my assignor about the after-game incident & what state rule/regulation was not followed.

Since I don't know the full NCAA Rules, hard to comment there, however if there is a regulation about it would do the same & let the assignor deal with it through proper channels.

Massachusetts was idiotic mandating officials stay to observe this.

Really?
 

So, you said:

And I asked how you would handle the situation - in an orderly way? Then you said:

So, after everyone rushes the court, you're going to write the assignor and let them know the rules were not followed?

Well, I guess you handled it! :rolleyes:

What else could of been done if game management was not properly prepared/thought ahead?

It's been stated on here several times the crowd is under the control of game management, NOT the officials.

Simple.

Claymores, K-9s, barbed wire and a Ma Deuce on overwatch.

I'm hanging with you.

I tell you, those competitive rec traveling elite 6U AAU games are nothing to mess around with.

My assigner would want to know why I even knew that fans "rushed the court", why my *** wasn't heaed for the locker room, and WTF did I expect him to do about it.

The teams (or at least certain players) will find a way to shale hands after the game, even with the fans on the court.

You left out "Why are you wasting my time with this sh!t?"

The point you're not getting is that it doesn't matter, unless you're willing to use force and bring sufficient numbers of personnel, you can't stop it. All you can do is threaten punishment later. It doesn't matter how well trained the security guards are; at some point all they can do is step back and take names (or take pictures).

The main difference is you're dealing with college students, who are notoriously eager to buck authority. Telling them not to rush the field/court is like telling my then-three-year-old son not to lock the basement door when his mom and sister are down there.

You're also dealing with a university/college with thousands of students (and allumni) rather than a high school with, at most, one thousand (most of whom will not be at the game). College students don't have their parents with them anymore, either at the game or at home ready to render punishment. Virtually every inhibiting factor present at a high school game is missing at a college game.

Snaq,

I've worked NCAA Athletics before as crowd control, so it can be done. You just have to know how to approach the situation to get a positive response.

Just explain in your letter that the fans rushed on before you had a chance to leave the court.

As in all instances I've seen the fans rush the court just as the final buzzer sounded, which gives no one a chance to get into the locker rooms/off the court.

You're killing me CHS. :rolleyes:

I don't know but I just don't see a lot of crowd control issues at a NCAA swim meet or gymnastics meet :rolleyes:

It can be done most times. There are times it cannot be done. To think otherwise is a bit naive, IMO.

There's a reason some schools have changed to collapsible field goal posts.

I still don't see it, as my a$$ is facing them. I've got tunnel vision after the game is over.

I have officiated games where the crowd rushed the floor as soon as the final buzzer sounded and I had to work my way around them to get out of the gym. Never, I repeat, never have I ever considered giving a T for this. Maybe if it is the last game I ever want to officiate I might because around here if I did that it would be the last varsity game I ever was assigned to - I might get to do some elementary school games after that but never a varsity game again. Plus - I would be the example at the association meetings as to what NOT to do as a varsity official :rolleyes:

Prey tell how am I doing that? :eek:

You mean you would be "That Guy?"

Again, Officials don't care. Why write your assignor to complain about something that happens AFTER the game.

Also, while you may know the NHFS rule book, you haven't got a damn clue how to apply it.

Could you please migrate over to the scorer and timers forum?

So why did you post this in an OFFICIAL'S FORUM in the first place? Are you starving for attention or what? Every time you post something on here it has either little or zero relevance to anything we do. I think you need validation and attention so you come here to get it by way of these silly, meaningless threads. If your BS wasn't so funny, I would have voted for a ban for you long ago.

For everyone else: I know the SEC had a conference rule (And I assume they still do) about fans rushing the court/field. The conference would fine the individual schools if their fans rushed the court after a game. I'm pretty sure Tennessee got fined for it a couple years ago and I'm sure others did as well.