Violation?

BillyMac

BktBallRef wrote
Meaningless and endless discussions! Ain't that the truth! I look at this forum and there it is, dozens of threads on simple, basic questions that have been thoroughly and accurately answered. Yet, there they continue on, pages and pages of ridiculous discussions of the simplest, most mundane rules.

And yet, to our benefit, you keep logging on?

just another ref

Jurassic Referee wrote
Another benefit is that in Hell you only have to discuss rules and you don't have to have any meaningless and endless discussions on what might or might not be the meaning of any particular word. And oh yes, they do have blarges here in Hell too. 🙂

So is this your way of admitting that you were wrong?🙂

Jurassic Referee

just another ref wrote
So is this your way of admitting that you were wrong?🙂

Yes, I was completely wrong to make any response at all to your post #20. I should have just ignored it. Live and learn.

And if you feel that my initial response to your post #20 was wrong also, you can have that one also without any further argument from me too.

Now everybody should be happy.

BktBallRef

Oh, I stay logged on. But it's rare you see me post after the 2nd or 3rd page.

Take this thread. I didn't post in it at all until JR pointed out how meaningless much of it was. Much of it is senseless.

Jurassic Referee

BillyMac wrote
And yet, to our benefit, you keep logging on?

Yes, it is to our benefit that he does so imo.

Adam

just another ref wrote
4-35 says a player who is touching out of bounds is out of bounds.

9.2.5 B says A1 has the ball out of bounds but when he touches B1 inbounds he now has inbounds status.

Furthermore, 7-1-1 tells us that touching a person who is out of bounds does not cause a player who is inbounds to be out of bounds.

Yes, it's a contradiction. And?

just another ref

Snaqwells wrote
Yes, it's a contradiction. And?

And I thought that might be the reason for the confusion in the earlier post which resulted from the use of the phrase 100% out of bounds. Editorial revisions are made in the books pretty much every year. I thought this might be a likely place for one.

Adam

just another ref wrote
And I thought that might be the reason for the confusion in the earlier post which resulted from the use of the phrase 100% out of bounds. Editorial revisions are made in the books pretty much every year. I thought this might be a likely place for one.

The rule is clear, so I'm not sure what sort of revision could possibly help. It's possible, but the confusion seems to stem from some sort of misconception that the ball's 3 dimmensional location is relevant.

just another ref

Snaqwells wrote
The rule is clear, so I'm not sure what sort of revision could possibly help.

9-2-5: The thrower shall not carry the ball onto the court.

What does this mean? Thrower steps in with one foot. According to 4-35, this player is out of bounds. Has he carried the ball onto the court.

Proposed revision: The thrower shall not contact the inbounds area with the ball or any part of his person.

Adam

Gotcha. Either way, though, the OP is legal.

just another ref

Snaqwells wrote
Gotcha. Either way, though, the OP is legal.

Hey, I know that, and you know that, but consider how many fans (and even some coaches) react when the thrower's foot simply touches the line.

BillyMac

just another ref wrote
Consider how many fans (and even some coaches) react when the thrower's foot simply touches the line.

A player inbounding the ball may step on, but not over the line. During a designated spot throwin, the player inbounding the ball must keep one foot on or over the three-foot wide designated spot. An inbounding player is allowed to jump or move one or both feet. A player inbounding the ball may move backward as far as the five-second time limit or space allows. If player moves outside the three-foot wide designated spot it is a violation, not travelling. In gymnasiums with limited space outside the sidelines and endlines, a defensive player may be asked to step back no more than three feet. A player inbounding the ball may bounce the ball on the out-of-bounds area prior to making a throwin.

grunewar

26 Year Gap wrote
And metal whistles on red lanyards? [That fit neatly under the collared shirts].

I had a teenage partner yesterday who had a metal whistle. Probably got it from his dad. Hadn't seen one in quite a while.

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