At what point do you engage/remove an obnoxious fan?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Unless you are a racial minority or someone outside of the normal community, these things should not be dismissed. I completely understand the point that is being made by the usage of a name and the way it was done. People do not have to use derogatory names to have a racial, ethnic or even religious tone to them. Just the story sounds like there was an attempt to humiliate or point out the person's racial background. And I have no problem for this action to be taken by Stiffler on this matter and I would take a similar action. Been in enough situations where things are said in ways that make it clear they are trying to make a racial point. I am sure most here are not either privy to those situations or even know how to recognize them when they are taking place.

Peace

Interesting, thanks for the perspetive, Jeff. I'll just re-state that it would have to be glaringly obvious before I'd address it. No way I'm kicking a fan out on a hunch.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I completely understand the point that is being made by the usage of a name and the way it was done.
Peace

I understand using a generic name such as calling an Hispanic "Juan" when their name is not known but how is it racially motivated to use the person's name?

And what if I am "somewhat" minority?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Welpe

And what if I am "somewhat" minority?

LOL, not in Texas you're not.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

LOL, not in Texas you're not.

Well maybe not for much longer.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Interesting, thanks for the perspetive, Jeff. I'll just re-state that it would have to be glaringly obvious before I'd address it. No way I'm kicking a fan out on a hunch.

What is obvious to one person, the other person might be oblivious to.

Peace

[just another ref]

At one school, they call me Chuck Norris. I'm not offended, but I suspect Chuck would be.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by just another ref

At one school, they call me Chuck Norris. I'm not offended, but I suspect Chuck would be.

Chuck Norris doesn't need a belt. His pants wouldn't dare to fall down.

Oh, on the topic -- I've kicked fans out. I've had game management remove them. I've addressed the fans.

It all depends on the level, my experience at the time, what was said, how it was said, what I thought of game management, etc.

Sometimes it was for racial comments. Sometimes I've laughed (chuckled to myself) at them (when they were directed at me).

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What is obvious to one person, the other person might be oblivious to.

Peace

Agreed, but I can only deal with what's obvious to me. And I'm, frankly, relatively clueless on these things.

I was in basic training before I knew "boy" was an insult with racial tones.

I'm more tuned to it than before, but I had no idea of stiffler's issue here. Hell, I couldn't have told you that Patel was a common Indian name before reading this thread.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Agreed, but I can only deal with what's obvious to me. And I'm, frankly, relatively clueless on these things.

I was in basic training before I knew "boy" was an insult with racial tones.

I'm more tuned to it than before, but I had no idea of stiffler's issue here. Hell, I couldn't have told you that Patel was a common Indian name before reading this thread.

A guy in one of my associations worked a playoff game and some fan referred to him as Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan. The fan was removed. It was a district playoff game and the fan was related to a school administrator. [His partner was the guy who got the fan removed].

After he told the story, I asked him whether he was Bruce Lee or Jackie Chan.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Chuck Norris doesn't need a belt. His pants wouldn't dare to fall down.

Oh, on the topic -- I've kicked fans out. I've had game management remove them. I've addressed the fans.

It all depends on the level, my experience at the time, what was said, how it was said, what I thought of game management, etc.

Sometimes it was for racial comments. Sometimes I've laughed (chuckled to myself) at them (when they were directed at me).

So they went so low as to call you 'wasp'?

[SWMOzebra]

My one and only fan ejection in a high school game was in February a couple of years ago.

A big ol' fellow in a John Deere hat and overalls was sitting on the front row of the bleachers during the GV game (his daughter played for the home team). He didn't say much during that game, but he was extremely vocal during the BV game (home team was bad and routinely got thumped by 30+ points that year) ... nothing vulgar or racial, just complained loudly about every call (or no-call) that didn't favor the home squad. My partners and I had done a pretty good job of ignoring him.

Then about 1 min into the Q4 the ball went out of bounds right in front of him and the T awarded the ball to the visiting team. As I stood there in front of him waiting for subs to enter the game, he said "You boys are about the dumbest sons a-b!itches to ever put on striped shirts" loud enough for those around him to hear.

I called the principal over to where I was standing a informed her he was to be removed from the gym before the game could continue.

He still sits in the same spot for all the home HS games and I see him several times a year ... but now we joke about it!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Agreed, but I can only deal with what's obvious to me. And I'm, frankly, relatively clueless on these things.

I was in basic training before I knew "boy" was an insult with racial tones.

I'm more tuned to it than before, but I had no idea of stiffler's issue here. Hell, I couldn't have told you that Patel was a common Indian name before reading this thread.

And no one in their right mind is expecting you to do anything different. And I might treat a situation totally different from you. Just like someone will be offended if they say "God D&&m" in a sentence and I will not. You have to find your place in this and when someone chooses to behave in a certain way it is up to them to be aware that someone might react differently to their actions.

Peace

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

No, but I don't hang out with people who use racial insults on a regular basis. Frankly, I've never heard a racial slur on a basketball court, either.

You must not have played at the same parks I played at growing up. Of course, I am not sure you could categorize them as racial slurs so much as trash talk. I have had more then a few fans removed for racial stuff. If you let that go, you are only ASKING for trouble. I had one school admin who wouldn't remove the fan but just wanted to stand next to them b/c he was worried they may meet harm in the parking lot. My response was that I can stand here and hold the ball all night until he and his friends leave, or you can have the sheriff escort them to their cars. Johnny Law won that round!

[chseagle]

What happened to the idea of an interscholastic contest is an extension of the classroom?

What's not allowed to be said in the classroom is not supposed to be allowed on the court/field.

How hard is that to understand.

Most leagues &/or state associations have as part of their fan code of conduct/ethics, wording that states "Exercise self control and permit only POSITIVE sportsmanlike behavior - Don't accept swearing or negative comments about players or coaches in your rooting section!", which should be universally enforced.

Ironically, some negative comments include: you suck, airball, any my mother/family relation comments, & other such comments/sayings that are meant to belittle a person/persons.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And no one in their right mind is expecting you to do anything different. And I might treat a situation totally different from you. Just like someone will be offended if they say "God D&&m" in a sentence and I will not. You have to find your place in this and when someone chooses to behave in a certain way it is up to them to be aware that someone might react differently to their actions.

Peace

for the record, we're in agreement.