Whacked Home Coach.......Probably not deserved.....

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

There are some who will whack without a second thought someone who screams out "Jesus Christ!" I'm not religious and I wouldn't even give it a second thought.

I whacked a coach in a youth game for this and would do it again. But it was also in response to a travel my partner called. A high school game I am more apt to let it pass.

[26 Year Gap]

Once you have issued the T in that situation, it stays. You can't unscramble eggs. Don't let the "I was talking to my player" mantra get in the way. If his player was further away than you, and he said it loud enough for his player to hear, then it was loud enough to be heard in the stands, too. As to judgment on which words cross the line and which words don't, it is a judgment call. Some words will get a T from everybody. Others will get a T from a majority. And still others will get them from a minority. It is still a judgment call. And you are the judge.

[tref]

I agree with the board "damn it" is not enough for me to even warn him, nor is any other swear word that is not directed directly to me or my crew. Coaches/players cuss all the time & in the OP it was a packed house. Most times those words cannot be heard clearly over the crowd noise.

Empty gym, coach/player yells out profanity for all to hear... perhaps a different story.

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by tref

I agree with the board "damn it" is not enough for me to even warn him, nor is any other swear word that is not directed directly to me or my crew. Coaches/players cuss all the time & in the OP it was a packed house. Most times those words cannot be heard clearly over the crowd noise.

Empty gym, coach/player yells out profanity for all to hear... perhaps a different story.

I guess when in Rome ... Around these parts, profanity is always grounds for a "T". But I agree, I don't think what this coach said falls into most people's definition of profanity.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

I agree with the board "damn it" is not enough for me to even warn him, nor is any other swear word that is not directed directly to me or my crew. Coaches/players cuss all the time & in the OP it was a packed house. Most times those words cannot be heard clearly over the crowd noise.

Empty gym, coach/player yells out profanity for all to hear... perhaps a different story.

NFHS has made it clear that speaking to his players is not an excuse for swearing.

"Jimmy, play some Effing defense!" T
"Dammit, Jimmy, play defense." No T.
"Jimmy, you're playing like sh1t!" T
"Jimmy, you're playing like crap!" No T.

My personal standards that are not out of the norm here in my little part of Rome.

[26 Year Gap]

I moved to Maine halfway through HS. We were playing a very poor opponent and had given up a goal to tie the score. I yelled, "Are you guys ready to stop friggin around?". Tweet. Yellow. AC calls me over & says "Around here THAT F word is the same as the OTHER F word". [never even heard the word in VT, so I didn't really think much about it]

[RobbyinTN]

IMHO, it all depends on intent and loudness. I had a Boys JV game yesterday and one of the player's missed his shot and said "sh*t" but had I not been next to him I would not have heard it and he was pissed at himself, no one else so I let it go. Had it been loud enough for others to plainly hear I would have probably whacked him. Had it been the F word, I would have definitely have whacked him.

[tref]

Originally Posted by RobbyinTN

Had it been the F word, I would have definitely have whacked him.

Even if it was under his breath, in the same context & lower than when he said sh*t?

[Treeguy]

Originally Posted by RobbyinTN

IMHO, it all depends on intent and loudness. I had a Boys JV game yesterday and one of the player's missed his shot and said "sh*t" but had I not been next to him I would not have heard it and he was pissed at himself, no one else so I let it go. Had it been loud enough for others to plainly hear I would have probably whacked him. Had it been the F word, I would have definitely have whacked him.

Had something similar, whan a player said f*%k under his breath while running past me. He looked up and saw me and said"oops, sorry". No one else was around and only I heard it. I just chuckled and let it go.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by RobbyinTN

IMHO, it all depends on intent and loudness. I had a Boys JV game yesterday and one of the player's missed his shot and said "sh*t" but had I not been next to him I would not have heard it and he was pissed at himself, no one else so I let it go. Had it been loud enough for others to plainly hear I would have probably whacked him. Had it been the F word, I would have definitely have whacked him.

This is one that I handle by saying something to the player like "I understand your frustration, but let's try to keep the language in check."

I also agree with Eastshire that HS athletics are an extension of the classroom...If a teacher in a classroom yelled "DAMN IT, John....Why can't you get these homework problems correct?!?!" I'm pretty sure there would be repercussions...why would it be any different on the basketball court?

[tref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

NFHS has made it clear that speaking to his players is not an excuse for swearing.

Nor teammates speaking to one another in that manner.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

"Jimmy, play some Effing defense!" T
"Dammit, Jimmy, play defense." No T.
"Jimmy, you're playing like sh1t!" T
"Jimmy, you're playing like crap!" No T.

My personal standards that are not out of the norm here in my little part of Rome.

The guy I'm working for tonight would say no to #1 & 3 depending on how loud it was (probably because he works DI & he also speaks that way)... the guy I'm working for tomorrow night would support a T being assessed in #1 & 3 if nobody heard it but me (probably because he is all about the HS game & doesnt speak that way).

I guess "know your audience" has never been more true! Gotta give em what they want, if we want their games, right?!?!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

The guy I'm working for tonight would say no to #1 & 3 depending on how loud it was (probably because he works DI & he also speaks that way)... the guy I'm working for tomorrow night would support a T being assessed in #1 & 3 if nobody heard it but me (probably because he is all about the HS game & doesnt speak that way).

I guess "know your audience" has never been more true! Gotta give em what they want, if we want their games, right?!?!

I actually agree that the volume makes a difference. With both of my examples, if it's quiet enough that only Jimmy and I hear it, I might remind the coach that's he pushing the envelope; depending on the situation. I also might ignore it.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I whacked a coach in a youth game for this and would do it again. But it was also in response to a travel my partner called. A high school game I am more apt to let it pass.

Would you have whacked him if he had said, "Come on!"?

To me, it's the exact same thing.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Would you have whacked him if he had said, "Come on!"?

Of course not...well unless it is the cherry on top of a long coming ABS tech.

To me, it's the exact same thing.

It's not to me...and probably not to a good portion of the gym out this way.