I violated rule #1.....not THAT rule #1

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Judtech

H1 lowers shoulder and puts V1 into the wall. No call. "Why was there no call? She lowered her shoulder" Ofc2: "They were running side by side when the girl put her shoulder down so no call". ME: "You might want to check LGP in your rule book at half time"

This one throws me a bit.

Just because the dribbler/shooter lowers a shoulder does not mean the defender has LGP. That has to be obtained and maintained. If they were indeed running side-by-side, it's kind of hard to obtain LGP.

Granted, you can still commit a player control foul without the defender having LGP (extended appendage), but I've yet to see "lowering the shoulder" in the rule book. I think this one is a matter of judgment.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

This one throws me a bit.

Just because the dribbler/shooter lowers a shoulder does not mean the defender has LGP. That has to be obtained and maintained. If they were indeed running side-by-side, it's kind of hard to obtain LGP.

Granted, you can still commit a player control foul without the defender having LGP (extended appendage), but I've yet to see "lowering the shoulder" in the rule book. I think this one is a matter of judgment.

Look up the part about maintaining it, not obtaining it.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Look up the part about maintaining it, not obtaining it.

NFHS 4-23-3? I don't see "shoulder" anywhere. Or did you mean elsewhere?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

NFHS 4-23-3? I don't see "shoulder" anywhere. Or did you mean elsewhere?

My point was running side-by-side doesn't make it any more difficult to maintain LGP, which was Judd's point.

The lowered shoulder will tell you who initiated contact, even if it's not always relevant.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

My point was running side-by-side doesn't make it any more difficult to maintain LGP, which was Judd's point.

How can you even obtain LGP when you're running side-by-side with an opponent? My point is, LGP shouldn't factor into this equation, so why mention it to the official?

The lowered shoulder will tell you who initiated contact, even if it's not always relevant.

Often true, but not always. There are those that say it's always a charge if the dribbler/shooter lowers his shoulder, but I've never found that in the rule book. I'd like to be pointed out that passage, if it exists.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

How can you even obtain LGP when you're running side-by-side with an opponent? My point is, LGP shouldn't factor into this equation, so why mention it to the official?

First of all, the shoulder thing is only a description of the play. The official's explanation, however, is that since she was running side-by-side there was no offensive foul.

As for LGP, he never says when she gained it. Assuming she had it before they started moving, which is a very likely scenario here, she does not lose it by merely running side by side with the offensive player.