How to handle an assistant coach.

Raymond

zm1283 wrote
Doesn't the calling official stay at the table? Or do you guys do it differently locally?

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. wrote
We switched on a shooting foul.

MTD, Sr.

That's ZM point, though asked incorrectly. 2-man mechanics the calling official on shooting fouls should be the trail on the free throws.

Rich

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. wrote
We switched on a shooting foul.

MTD, Sr.

Again, this is not NFHS mechanics. If the T calls a shooting foul, the T stays the trail tableside. This was changed last season. I guess the question is whether your state or association(s) went along with this change.

Adam

RichMSN wrote
Again, this is not NFHS mechanics. If the T calls a shooting foul, the T stays the trail tableside. This was changed last season. I guess the question is whether your state or association(s) went along with this change.

IAABO has not made this change. I don't know if Ohio is an IAABO state or not.

Judtech

Too funny, I tried "Something" like that last nite. As we played (and beat the 3rd ranked team in the sate I might add) my wife was losing her voice. She was yelling for a TO but the official couldn't hear her. Since I actually do a GREAT imitation of her thick southern accent, I yelled for a TO and actually got the officials attention. He granted the TO then realized it was I who he heard ask for the TO and smiled. He came over for the "first horn" signal and told me my imitation was spot on!

mj

I talked to a fellow official this weekend. During a recent contest featuring 2 ranked teams, he and his partner were so tired of the coaches in their ear after each shooting foul, they went back to the old mechanic of going opposite the table.

Adam

mj wrote
I talked to a fellow official this weekend. During a recent contest featuring 2 ranked teams, he and his partner were so tired of the coaches in their ear after each shooting foul, they went back to the old mechanic of going opposite the table.

Too bad they didn't just address the behavior rather than run from it.

Jurassic Referee

snaqwells wrote
too bad they didn't just address the behavior rather than run from it.

+2413

Rich

mj wrote
I talked to a fellow official this weekend. During a recent contest featuring 2 ranked teams, he and his partner were so tired of the coaches in their ear after each shooting foul, they went back to the old mechanic of going opposite the table.

Heh. Last night we had one of the worst games I've had in a long time. 15 fouls in the first quarter, with the home team picking up their 10th with a minute left in the first quarter. In the end, I couldn't tell you what the losing coach was saying because I stopped paying any attention to him.

Personally, I prefer being across during free throws, but it's not something I really care about one way or the other.

chymechowder

Judtech wrote
Too funny, I tried "Something" like that last nite. As we played (and beat the 3rd ranked team in the sate I might add) my wife was losing her voice. She was yelling for a TO but the official couldn't hear her. Since I actually do a GREAT imitation of her thick southern accent, I yelled for a TO and actually got the officials attention. He granted the TO then realized it was I who he heard ask for the TO and smiled. He came over for the "first horn" signal and told me my imitation was spot on!

haha, excellent.

but be careful--impersonating's a slippery slope. you don't want to be sitting on the bench for a playoff game looking like this: 😮

mbyron

Snaqwells wrote
IAABO has not made this change. I don't know if Ohio is an IAABO state or not.

Ohio is not an "IAABO state," though we have boards here. OHSAA uses approved NFHS mechanics.

mj

Snaqwells wrote
Too bad they didn't just address the behavior rather than run from it.

I have had the coaches involved and I can certainly understand why they did what they did. While both coaches are a handful, they generally never do anything to cross the line.

Welpe

mj wrote
I have had the coaches involved and I can certainly understand why they did what they did. While both coaches are a handful, they generally never do anything to cross the line.

I've borrowed the mantra of other officials in addressing bad behavior by using the Three Ps. Personal, Profane and Persistent.

I'm not going to allow a coach to continually whine, even if each individual comment is not over the line. Too much and they will eventually peg the ABS meter.

mj

RichMSN wrote
Personally, I prefer being across during free throws, but it's not something I really care about one way or the other.

I actually like being table-side. Other than one game (which happened to be last Friday), I prefer to have a coach 'talk' to me rather than have him 'yell' across.

Adam

mj wrote
I have had the coaches involved and I can certainly understand why they did what they did. While both coaches are a handful, they generally never do anything to cross the line.

As Welpe indicated, the continual banter needs to be addressed.
2nd or 3rd time: "Coach, if you have a question about that play, I'll answer it; but the commentary isn't doing either of us any good."

If he follows that up by asking questions on every play, deal with that, too. If the coach's behavior prevents you from being able to follow proper mechanics, I'd prefer to deal with it rather than changing the mechanics.

That said, we don't do the table side thing here in two-man, even though I would prefer it. I also would prefer to be able to have a quiet word with the coach.

truerookie

jurassic referee wrote
+2413

= 10

Rich

mj wrote
I actually like being table-side. Other than one game (which happened to be last Friday), I prefer to have a coach 'talk' to me rather than have him 'yell' across.

I'm starting to think it encourages a running dialogue. Sure, the a$$hats will yell across once in a while, but the more reasonable coaches will see the official across and figure it's not worth it -- whereas tableside, they'll get in a quiet shot here and there.

Loudwhistle

RichMSN wrote
I'm starting to think it encourages a running dialogue. Sure, the a$$hats will yell across once in a while, but the more reasonable coaches will see the official across and figure it's not worth it -- whereas tableside, they'll get in a quiet shot here and there.

+1 The further away the better once a call has been explained!!

Raymond

mj wrote
I have had the coaches involved and I can certainly understand why they did what they did. While both coaches are a handful, they generally never do anything to cross the line.

If they never cross the line then why avoid them? If they were coaches that cross the line then that is easily addressed using Rule 10.

Freddy

Welpe wrote
I'm not going to allow a coach to continually whine, even if each individual comment is not over the line.

Coach, known for riding the refs the entire game, early in the second half, again to me in transition: "C'mon, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah............."
Me, not wanting to be a smartaleck, but getting tired of it: "Coach, your comments have been so frequent, I just want you to know I stopped listening midway last quarter."
Coach: Off my back the rest of the game.

Don't know if it will work the next time, but I would try it again under the same non-T, every-time-down-the-court circumstances.

jdw3018

RichMSN wrote
I'm starting to think it encourages a running dialogue. Sure, the a$$hats will yell across once in a while, but the more reasonable coaches will see the official across and figure it's not worth it -- whereas tableside, they'll get in a quiet shot here and there.

I find it provides an opportunity to address concerns before they feel the need to devolve into running commentary.

I can also stop the running commentary easily with a comment if I'm there.