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referee99 Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:20am

Black Jerseys
 
Had a partner over the weekend for CYO 6th grade game. One team had black uniforms with red accents. This team had two black players and a black coach. He wanted to call them "Red" during the game. I told him to get real. Go with "Black shirts" if you have an issue.

I suppose this may be an issue for some people out in the world. Is there protocol in other parts of the officiating world? Non-white officials not wanting to call home team "White"? :)

Raymond Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:24am

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Originally Posted by referee99 (Post 721025)
Had a partner over the weekend for CYO 6th grade game. One team had black uniforms with red accents. This team had two black players and a black coach. He wanted to call them "Red" during the game. I told him to get real. Go with "Black shirts" if you have an issue.

I suppose this may be an issue for some people out in the world. Is there protocol in other parts of the officiating world? Non-white officials not wanting to call home team "White"? :)

First I have ever heard of something like that. I'm color-blind. I like when teams have black uni's. Teams with dark red or burgandy get called "black" by me.

RobbyinTN Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:39am

Sounds like the coach has issues. I would have went with "black" was well. Fortunately I have never had this come up.

Adam Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:43am

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Originally Posted by RobbyinTN (Post 721030)
Sounds like the coach has issues. I would have went with "black" was well. Fortunately I have never had this come up.

Not the coach; his partner.

Welpe Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:43am

You should have suggested using "achromatics" or "total absorption". :D

Welpe Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:43am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 721027)
First I have ever heard of something like that. I'm color-blind. I like when teams have black uni's. Teams with dark red or burgandy get called "black" by me.

Makes me feel a little better for calling Maroon, Red. :)

bob jenkins Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:48am

I've had games where the team with predominantly white players wore black jerseys, and the team with predominantly black players wore white jerseys.

Everyone (players, coaches, officials) smiled the first few times fouls / violations were called. Even a few fans chuckled. By the middle of the first quarter, it was a non-issue.

Rich Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:51am

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Originally Posted by referee99 (Post 721025)
Had a partner over the weekend for CYO 6th grade game. One team had black uniforms with red accents. This team had two black players and a black coach. He wanted to call them "Red" during the game. I told him to get real. Go with "Black shirts" if you have an issue.

I suppose this may be an issue for some people out in the world. Is there protocol in other parts of the officiating world? Non-white officials not wanting to call home team "White"? :)

Silly. Just silly.

JRutledge Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:55am

I guess I would have a problem every game as many that wear the white are white people. Or if I give a timeout and give it to the coach that is white there would always be a problem. Or the one time I call the coach that happens to be Black, and say "Timeout, white coach" the ceiling is going to fall. I guess some folks have to be upset about something.

Peace

Treeguy Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:00pm

I still find it strange that when I do the tip, a black player wearing black and a white player wearing white, and I go black going this way and white going that way.

just another ref Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:03pm

I played in an independent tourney many years ago. Both teams showed up in the same color gold jerseys. Our team was all white. Their team was all black.
Officials identified us as "black" and "white." Nobody seemed to have a problem with it.

RobbyinTN Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:06pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 721031)
Not the coach; his partner.

you're right - I misread it

bainsey Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:17pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 721048)
I played in an independent tourney many years ago. Both teams showed up in the same color gold jerseys. Our team was all white. Their team was all black.
Officials identified us as "black" and "white." Nobody seemed to have a problem with it.

I love it.

Few things anger me as much as racism, but when we get excessively sensitive to it, it doesn't lend much to the end game of equality.

fullor30 Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:17pm

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Originally Posted by richmsn (Post 721039)
silly. Just silly.

+1000

BillyMac Mon Jan 24, 2011 01:32pm

"Bein' Green" (Kermit the Frog) ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 721037)
I've had games where the team with predominantly white players wore black jerseys, and the team with predominantly black players wore white jerseys. Everyone (players, coaches, officials) smiled the first few times fouls / violations were called. Even a few fans chuckled. By the middle of the first quarter, it was a non-issue.

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 721048)
I played in an independent tourney many years ago. Both teams showed up in the same color gold jerseys. Our team was all white. Their team was all black. Officials identified us as "black" and "white." Nobody seemed to have a problem with it.

Just like God, Dr. Naismith, and the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. intended it to be. This would be a pretty boring planet if we were all the same color.

jdw3018 Mon Jan 24, 2011 01:46pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 721033)
Makes me feel a little better for calling Maroon, Red. :)

Not to take away from the black/white jersey, but I had a team wearing orange jerseys for the first time I can ever remember the other day. Surprising, as I've been doing this for almost a decade, but I couldn't think of another.

Anyway, any of you call orange anything but orange? Every other color I see gets a one-syllable color. Purple is "blue", burgundy is "red", yellow is "gold", chartreuse is, well, whatever it's close to (isn't that greenish?).

So, anyone ever change orange to anything else?

Adam Mon Jan 24, 2011 01:48pm

I call it red.

JRutledge Mon Jan 24, 2011 01:49pm

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Originally Posted by jdw3018 (Post 721092)
So, anyone ever change orange to anything else?

I call it "red."

Peace

bob jenkins Mon Jan 24, 2011 01:52pm

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Originally Posted by snaqwells (Post 721093)
i call it red.

+1

Rich Mon Jan 24, 2011 01:54pm

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Originally Posted by jdw3018 (Post 721092)
Not to take away from the black/white jersey, but I had a team wearing orange jerseys for the first time I can ever remember the other day. Surprising, as I've been doing this for almost a decade, but I couldn't think of another.

Anyway, any of you call orange anything but orange? Every other color I see gets a one-syllable color. Purple is "blue", burgundy is "red", yellow is "gold", chartreuse is, well, whatever it's close to (isn't that greenish?).

So, anyone ever change orange to anything else?

I say "orange" as close to one syllable as possible.

jdw3018 Mon Jan 24, 2011 01:58pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 721098)
I say "orange" as close to one syllable as possible.

When I called in South Carolina, even "red" was two syllables for most of my partners, so I guess it shouldn't be that much trouble to say "orng"...

I suggested red to my partners as suggested above, but they didn't like it. No biggee, but good to see others thinking my way. :D

26 Year Gap Mon Jan 24, 2011 02:05pm

Don't tell me...the partner lives in Namby-Pamby Land, right?

Andy Mon Jan 24, 2011 02:18pm

political correctness to the extreme
 
A buddy of mine is from England, now lives here and married a woman from the United States. She is very politically correct.

First time he takes her to England to meet his friends and family, he introduces her to his best friend who happens to be black.

After chatting for a few minutes, she giggles and the friend asks what's funny?

She says, "Oh, nothing, I have just never heard an African-American with an English accent before."

He looks at her kind of funny and says.....



"I'm neither African or American.....I was born here in the UK!":eek:

BillyMac Mon Jan 24, 2011 02:35pm

Go Back 200,000 Years ...
 
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Originally Posted by Andy (Post 721107)
I'm neither African or American.

Every single one of us was originally from what is now called Africa. All of us that were born in the United States are African American. My ancestors just happened to pass through Ireland before they came here. Others, unfortunatley, were forced to take a more direct route.

Eastshire Mon Jan 24, 2011 02:36pm

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Originally Posted by jdw3018 (Post 721092)
Not to take away from the black/white jersey, but I had a team wearing orange jerseys for the first time I can ever remember the other day. Surprising, as I've been doing this for almost a decade, but I couldn't think of another.

Anyway, any of you call orange anything but orange? Every other color I see gets a one-syllable color. Purple is "blue", burgundy is "red", yellow is "gold", chartreuse is, well, whatever it's close to (isn't that greenish?).

So, anyone ever change orange to anything else?

I'm fairly sure I just mash it into a single syllable.

I have had a player wearing yellow correct me when I called it gold.

"Yes, but that's two syllables."

JRutledge Mon Jan 24, 2011 02:38pm

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Originally Posted by Andy (Post 721107)
A buddy of mine is from England, now lives here and married a woman from the United States. She is very politically correct.

First time he takes her to England to meet his friends and family, he introduces her to his best friend who happens to be black.

After chatting for a few minutes, she giggles and the friend asks what's funny?

She says, "Oh, nothing, I have just never heard an African-American with an English accent before."

He looks at her kind of funny and says.....



"I'm neither African or American.....I was born here in the UK!":eek:

It just shows how dumb people are and how they do not even realize that being Black and African-American are totally different things. One is a race classification, the other is a ethnicity. You could technically racially White and be African-American. Ask Charlize Theron who was born in South Africa but lives in L.A.. I do not know if she has citizenship in this country, but if she was she would be an African-American. Only people that do not know try to say something is wrong with calling someone "Black." :rolleyes:

Peace

Eastshire Mon Jan 24, 2011 02:41pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 721116)
It just shows how dumb people are and how they do not even realize that being Black and African-American are totally different things. One is a race classification, the other is a ethnicity. You could technically racially White and be African-American. Ask Charlize Theron who was born in South Africa but lives in L.A.. I do not know if she has citizenship in this country, but if she was she would be an African-American. Only people that do not know try to say something is wrong with calling someone "Black." :rolleyes:

Peace

I had a friend that immigrated from Jamaica. He really didn't like being called African-American.

JRutledge Mon Jan 24, 2011 02:51pm

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Originally Posted by Eastshire (Post 721118)
I had a friend that immigrated from Jamaica. He really didn't like being called African-American.

Because he is not. I grew up with a Nigerian family and they were not African-Americans in the truest form of the term. I also know Black people from Trinidad and Jamaica and other island countries.

I was in South Africa this summer and I met a lot of Africans that were not Black. And many of them looked just like people in this country but had origins from other countries, but grew up and lived in South Africa all their life. And I guess I also get a little tired of "We were born in America" talk. No crap, but that does not take away from our heritage or where our ancestry comes from and people wanting to claim that.

Peace

Adam Mon Jan 24, 2011 03:01pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 721122)
Because he is not. I grew up with a Nigerian family and they were not African-Americans in the truest form of the term. I also know Black people from Trinidad and Jamaica and other island countries.

I was in South Africa this summer and I met a lot of Africans that were not Black. And many of them looked just like people in this country but had origins from other countries, but grew up and lived in South Africa all their life. And I guess I also get a little tired of "We were born in America" talk. No crap, but that does not take away from our heritage or where our ancestry comes from and people wanting to claim that.

Peace

Agreed. I grew up in an area where "heritage" wasn't celebrated much. But when I went to college, in a small Dutch town in NW Iowa, I got a taste of what it's like for people to celebrate their heritage.

If I never see another tulip again....

Da Official Mon Jan 24, 2011 03:13pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 721113)
Every single one of us was originally from what is now called Africa. All of us that were born in the United States are African American. My ancestors just happened to pass through Ireland before they came here. Others, unfortunatley, were forced to take a more direct route.

+1 Billy

piaa_ump Mon Jan 24, 2011 04:15pm

pronouncing the word red correctly....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jdw3018 (Post 721099)
When I called in South Carolina, even "red" was two syllables for most of my partners,


THAT WOULD BE "RAY-EDD"...... for those of you who need a translator.... :D

mbyron Mon Jan 24, 2011 04:27pm

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Originally Posted by piaa_ump (Post 721150)
THAT WOULD BE "RAY-EDD"...... for those of you who need a translator.... :D

My HS had a Tennessean US history teacher who would come into class, tell the students that the topic of the day was "farm policy" and proceed to discuss Kissinger and Nixon's trip to China.

NoFussRef Tue Jan 25, 2011 02:14am

Love your neighbor, love the GAME.
 
The neighborhood I grew up in was like "Hands-across-America". We had 2 Black kids, 2 White kids, and 1 Japanese-Hawaiian. We went to each other's 3rd Birthday parties and attended school together all the way through 12th grade.

We played ball in our dead-end street, be it football, baseball, basketball we were happy to be outside. (Don't see this activity from kids much anymore).

Anyway to get to the butt-feathers here...

We would often rotate our match-ups while playing basketball, weather permitting, we would play "Shirts-vs-Skins". Often it would be the 2 Black kids on one team -vs- the 2 White kids on the other... yet we would still play shirts and skins! We just didn't think about it, hey if that kids a different color than you don't pass him the ball. Duh.

Butterfly182310 Tue Jan 25, 2011 08:36am

I've run into this issue with partners over the years. Initially I'll admit I was unsure how to address it, but now with "political correctness" screwing with the moral foundation of our country, my position is "if the team didn't want to be called black, they wouldn't be wearing black...it's black!"

The two colors I have difficulty with are orange and purple. Those I'll change to a single syllable color, most likely red and blue.


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