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Old Sun Jan 23, 2011, 04:26pm
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That was my point above.

And even if it is during the dribble, I see the ball hitting a foot the same as hitting the floor. What if it's an opponent's foot? It hits and comes straight back up to the dribbler's hand, (very unlikely I know, but no more unlikely than off his own foot) is this a violation?
Opponents foot, I'd consider that an interrupted dribble that touches an opponent. New dribble.
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Opponents foot, I'd consider that an interrupted dribble that touches an opponent. New dribble.
It's not an interrupted dribble because it didn't get away from the dribbler. It came straight back up. That is very unlikely, maybe even impossible, but it's still a given. The dribble didn't end, because the touch by the opponent caused no loss of control.
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Old Sun Jan 23, 2011, 05:30pm
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It's not an interrupted dribble because it didn't get away from the dribbler. It came straight back up. That is very unlikely, maybe even impossible, but it's still a given. The dribble didn't end, because the touch by the opponent caused no loss of control.
I'm considering this an interrupted dribble. The fact that a dribbler cannot possibly intend to dribble off his opponent's foot tells me that if it does, it got away from him. The fact that it, by a fluke of physics, bounced straight back to him does not change this, IMO.
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Old Sun Jan 23, 2011, 05:31pm
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Violation for touching the ball twice during the same dribble, as per the RULING of 4.15.4SitD(a)-"Violation because the ball was touched twice by A1's hand(s) during a dribble before it touched the floor."
I would agree if A1 had already batted the ball to floor at least once. But in the OP I see it no different than standing in place and tossing the ball to himself before dribbling.
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I would agree if A1 had already batted the ball to floor at least once. But in the OP I see it no different than standing in place and tossing the ball to himself before dribbling.
Which means that he can legally start a new dribble. Can I deem this now?

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Which means that he can legally start a new dribble. Can I deem this now?
Not if he picks his pivot foot up in the process.
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Not if he picks his pivot foot up in the process.
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I would agree if A1 had already batted the ball to floor at least once. But in the OP I see it no different than standing in place and tossing the ball to himself before dribbling.
Scrapper1 told us in the OP that A1 released the ball to start a dribble. Are you calling Scrappy a liar? Is there any reason you wouldn't believe Scrappy?

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Scrapper1 told us in the OP that A1 released the ball to start a dribble. Are you calling Scrappy a liar? Is there any reason you wouldn't believe Scrappy?

Or are you a resident of JARlandia also?
Nope, but since the dribble never occurred I'm not ruling it a violation. The dribble was deferred.
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Nope, but since the dribble never occurred I'm not ruling it a violation. The dribble was deferred.
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Nobody has posted the correct response yet:

"You're saying that hit his foot? Huh."
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The dribble was deferred.
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Though this is the place to overthink this kind of stuff, in a game situation...I got nuthun. It's such a one in a million kind of play that nobody would ever bother to write a rule about it. And absent a rule, or a really obvious application of an existing rule, it's legal.
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In a game situation, I got nuthun. It's such a one in a million kind of play that nobody would ever bother to write a rule about it. And absent a rule, or a really obvious application of an existing rule, it's legal.
But this isn't real life, this is the Forum. Now, are you in this hand, or not? If so, ante up.
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But this isn't real life, this is the Forum. Now, are you in this hand, or not? If so, ante up.
Billy --

There are 43 responses to the OP. You have 14 of them -- more than anyone else. Most are variations on the card game crap and add nothing to what is (at least to me) an interesting intellectual exercise.

Cut it out.

Please.

Oh -- on the OP: I'm ruling it legal.
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