Technical Foul or Ejection...what would you do?
 

You call a foul on a player and he walks right by you and says to you, "you are a piece of Sh*t!" Do you just give him a technical or do you eject him?

DQ.

In a football game, I once had a Referee end the game when a player did something similar.

Flagrant technical. I would, when asked, tell the coach exactly what the player said, too.

I would agree...when I give a player a technical and the coach asks me what did they say I always repeat it exactly.

I agree as well, I would give him the gate.

Say goodnight, Gracie.

So, what happened?

I do the same. DQ

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gotta love the sound effects. i'll wait til i'm in the NBA to pull that out, though.

Easiest call of the day. Flagrant T.

It's a flagrant technical is a COACH says it, so it's certainly one if a player says it. Life's too short to put up with that crap.

The play in question the official just gave the player a technical.

I wish we had more of an opportunity to hear mic'd up NBE officials! Thanks Tony.

That's unfortunate. Maybe he didn't want to write a report.

While I'm sure the thing that we could never get away with saying something like that, the NBA is very different. The thing that impresses me is how calm and collected Garretson is. He's firm, unemotional, and completely clear in everything he says and does in this situation. Totally in control.

I'll hit him w/ a T, but I'm not tossin' him for that....

Well, that makes two. Jeffpea and the official on the court.

For calling you a piece of sh!t?

I'm not one who finds a huge problem with the word sh!t (see the other thread), but when someone calls me a name like that, they're not sticking around.

Seriously???

So what, exactly, does a player have to say in order for you to toss him/her?:confused:

"You're a fu@k1ng piece of sh1t." That might do it.

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You are right...you are not tossing him...he is tossing himself.

Fixed it for ya. No charge.

"I know you are but what am I' had great success for me early on.:D
Now I would just say "Thank you for playing we have lovely departing gifts for you!"

Exactly.

For one of the best examples of this, see this video: YouTube - Dante Wesley's hit on Clifton Smith LAID OUT!!!!

I'll second that. After reading Tim Donaghy's book and Bob Delaney's (there was only a little bit about officiating in the NBA in that one), I'd love to be able to see a special on HBO or something, uncensored of course

Ring him up for the T-If it is #2 and you have to write the report so be it.

I guess I'd have to say that if the player threatens another player, official, or myself, THEN I would toss 'em with a flagrant tech.....

would you have acted differently if the player had said "that call was a f_*cking piece of $h!t"?

Say goodnight, Gracie.

It's still an ejection, and a 2 game susepnsion, here.

You simply can't allow a player to disrespect you in this fashion. It's uncalled for whether on the court, in the classroom and in society in general. Allow a player to get away with it without an ejection and you've just told him he can say anything he wants to.

No. Buh-bye.

at least most of you are consistent...you would toss 'em either way.

i wouldn't say that i've got "thicker skin" than you guys (that would come off as being demeaning to some - and that's not my intention), i just have a different perspective (maybe it's because 75% of my schedule is college).

are you giving the flagrant T because he used profanity? are you ejecting him because his comments are directed at you? in your mind, what boundary did the player cross from an unsportsman-like T to a flagrant T?

imho, the 3 officials on the floor need to be the calmest people in the building. a T is just another call and not something to get emotional over (of course that is easier said than done).

Thick skin has nothing to do with it. I am not personally offended by something that a player, coach or fan says to me. I don't react emotionally when a player or coach calls me something. I will, however, penalize what I deem to be unsporting, vulgar or disrespectful.

Calling an official a "piece of sh%^" crosses two lines at the same time, personal and profane.

Your second example is just plain vulgar.

I'm not going to tolerate either in my games. Showing the officials that much disrespect should never be considered de rigeur.

Out of curiosity, how do you equate issuing a flagrant T with "getting emotional"?

College maybe different, although I doubt very many D1 officials would let this go. Either way, in HS, no matter how much college I call, he's gone.

The comments would draw a T. Add the profanity and that gets the ejection.

I didn't read where anyone said emotions had to do anything with it. The fact is, a teacher wouldn't allow a student to disrespect him in such a way and remain in the classroom. I don't see this as being any different.

I can (and have) ejected people (mainly from baseball games) with not a single bit of emotion. I've called 2 technical fouls this season and neither of them involved any emotion (that's not always the case, but more and more as I get older and wiser).

A college player isn't calling me (or a call) an f-ing piece of sh!t the same as a HS player isn't. Emotion has nothing to do with it. There's a line and that comment obliterates that line.

So calling an official a "piece of sh1t" is a simple T in college? Scrappy, are you listening? Is that what you'd do?

what would you have done if he called you terrible? I dought you would have tossed him for that.....hmmmm maybe sh*t does have some offensive sides to it?

It depends on the meaning. Rich's point is that a self-directed utterance like that can go ignored. An intended insult to the official, not so much. I'm still figuring what I'd do if a player called me a "Piece of crap."

Would it make a difference if he said "a BIG piece of crap"?:D

In that case, he'd be right. :D

Nice try.

"You're a piece of garbage" would be a flagrant technical, too.

Wow!! You can spell "garbage" on here without worrying about it being deleted? It's a good thing I don't offend easily!!:rolleyes:

In HS, this is a no-brainer flagrant T for me. In college, it's probably around 95% probability of being a flagrant. There's always a small possibility that there's some context, maybe there's been some joking back-and-forth that makes it less offensive. But that's got to be a pretty small likelihood. I can't imagine that there are too many D1 refs who tolerate being called that by an 18-year-old; so why should I tolerate it from my D3 guys?

Thick skin has nothing to do with it...the NCAA has had sporting behavior as a POE for a couple of years now and this type of behavior should not be tolerated at any level. If I toss this kid and tell my college supervisor why she would say good job.

not to split hairs, but does it make any difference if they say, "That's a piece of **** CALL" ?

if they profanely deride the call (rather than the person who made it), that still gets a technical, I imagine. but is it not an ejection?

Yes, it makes a difference. Your recent example could just be aT, depending on volume, etc.

A player? I'd whack him. Not flagrant. Unless he screamed it at the top of his lungs, and then it would be the volume and aggressiveness (not the word) that got him tossed.

A coach? Depends, really. If he says it quietly, I probably pass on it.

Of course, I don't get hung up on the word sh!t. :D

Yes, it makes a difference.
Player or coach, most likely a standard T.

Interesting statement. Personally I know few ...if any....college officials at any college level that would ever dream of letting any player say anything like that to them though.

But you sureasheck are allowed to have your own different perspective. It is certainly "different" in my experience though. And I personally can't agree with it either fwiw.

That's really the wrong argument to use with some of the people who frequent this forum. My supervisors have always said that if they drop the f-bomb on us personally, or about a call we make, toss them. Plain and simple. In the case of "You're a piece of sh!t", I tossed a player for that and had 100% backing from the supervisor, the conference, the conference commissioner, etc...there's no place for that in NFHS, NCAA, or any other level of basketball.

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Surprised this actually a question. If you don't, then the statement is true, at least as an official.