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chseagle Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:49pm

Complaints about Oregon's new court
 
So now that the nation's had a chance to see Oregon Basketball's $227 Million home, the complaints are coming out in the media.

What are your thoughts of the court?

Do you like the NCAA-M 3-pt. line being white?

Raymond Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:50pm

Have only seen an illustration. As long as all the markings adhere to the rulebook I don't see there being a problem.

Adam Sat Jan 15, 2011 11:04pm

As an official, I'm with BNR. They noted the division line is hard to see. I couldn't see it at all on TV, and I wondered how easy it was to see on the court. That could be a problem from an officiating perspective. That's about all, though.

As a fan, however, I found it hard to watch.

chseagle Sat Jan 15, 2011 11:15pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 716532)
As an official, I'm with BNR. They noted the division line is hard to see. I couldn't see it at all on TV, and I wondered how easy it was to see on the court. That could be a problem from an officiating perspective. That's about all, though.

As a fan, however, I found it hard to watch.

Looking at pictures & game recaps on ESPN, the division line really is not visible unless you're right on top of it.

http://mt.nesn.com/.a/6a0115709f071f...19270e0970b-pi

http://media.kval.com/images/mattcourt.jpg

There were complaints about the ribbon boards creating glare on the court, according to some reports I've been reading.

bucky Sun Jan 16, 2011 12:52am

3-pt. line? The ENTIRE court is horrific. Made me think as if someone vomited all over the court upon first seeing it. Disgusting.

chseagle Sun Jan 16, 2011 12:55am

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Originally Posted by bucky (Post 716576)
3-pt. line? The ENTIRE court is horrific. Made me think as if someone vomited all over the court upon first seeing it. Disgusting.

You can thank NIKE & Phil Knight for the court (at least that's what others are saying).

Terrance "TJ" Sun Jan 16, 2011 01:16am

Oregon Basketball Court Brings Outdoor Wonders to the Hardwood | Playbook

JRutledge Sun Jan 16, 2011 01:39am

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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 716578)
You can thank NIKE & Phil Knight for the court (at least that's what others are saying).

Well there is no Nike logo or any mention of Nike on the floor. It seems like this was just the idea of someone and they allowed some involvement from people of Nike, but not sure it was there idea.

Peace

Terrance "TJ" Sun Jan 16, 2011 01:40am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 716595)
Well there is no Nike logo or any mention of Nike on the floor. It seems like this was just the idea of someone and they allowed some involvement from people of Nike, but not sure it was there idea.

Peace

From the video on the link I posted it sounds like it was a lot of Nike's idea.

chseagle Sun Jan 16, 2011 01:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 716595)
Well there is no Nike logo or any mention of Nike on the floor. It seems like this was just the idea of someone and they allowed some involvement from people of Nike, but not sure it was there idea.

Peace

The arena is named in honor of Phil Knight's son, for one.

Plus a nickname for UO is Nike University.

Terrance "TJ" Sun Jan 16, 2011 01:48am

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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 716600)
The arena is named in honor of Phil Knight's son, for one.

Plus a nickname for UO is Nike University.

And just how many uniforms does their football team have? All adorned with the swoosh, makes sense they have so many options with the Nike boss being alumni.

chseagle Sun Jan 16, 2011 01:53am

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Originally Posted by Terrance "TJ" (Post 716602)
And just how many uniforms does their football team have? All adorned with the swoosh, makes sense they have so many options with the Nike boss being alumni.

I'm surprised it's just the football team with so many uniform combinations.

Another interesting thing about Matthew Knight Arena is that it's not a Sports-only facility as the court can be removed for floor shows/concerts (unlike Hec Ed (UW) or Gill Coliseum (OSU)), & the events that are already scheduled.

JRutledge Sun Jan 16, 2011 02:18am

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Originally Posted by Terrance "TJ" (Post 716597)
From the video on the link I posted it sounds like it was a lot of Nike's idea.

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 716600)
The arena is named in honor of Phil Knight's son, for one.

Plus a nickname for UO is Nike University.

My point is even if it has some Nike influence, that does not mean they were the ones that said this was the exact direction the court design should be. The building of course donated but Knight, but a lot of arenas are often named after people or having little to do with name of the arena. Like "The Summit" or "Coach K Court." I think it is possible that someone else at that university said this was a good idea and the designers were helping them out.

Peace

chseagle Sun Jan 16, 2011 02:29am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 716610)
My point is even if it has some Nike influence, that does not mean they were the ones that said this was the exact direction the court design should be. The building of course donated but Knight, but a lot of arenas are often named after people or having little to do with name of the arena. Like "The Summit" or "Coach K Court." I think it is possible that someone else at that university said this was a good idea and the designers were helping them out.

Peace

Phil Knight put $100 million out for the arena to be built.

Coach K Court was done in honor of Coach K at Duke.

Basically in all the articles I've read, UO wanted to be the Boise State of Basketball with the court design.

When did Nike get into court/field designing? I noticed that it was their design team that did the court.

chseagle Sun Jan 16, 2011 03:55am

Article where idea came from
 
Here's the initial article I read that made me think of asking everyone.

Distracting glare detracts from first game at Oregon's new arena - The Dagger - NCAAB - Yahoo! Sports

grunewar Sun Jan 16, 2011 08:21am

Another example of unique and innovative not necessarily equating to better IMO.

I vote yuk!

bob jenkins Sun Jan 16, 2011 10:19am

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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 716641)
Here's the initial article I read that made me think of asking everyone.

First time I've ever considered asking someone to stop reading.

Adam Sun Jan 16, 2011 10:31am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 716610)
My point is even if it has some Nike influence, that does not mean they were the ones that said this was the exact direction the court design should be. The building of course donated but Knight, but a lot of arenas are often named after people or having little to do with name of the arena. Like "The Summit" or "Coach K Court." I think it is possible that someone else at that university said this was a good idea and the designers were helping them out.

Peace

Doing it in honor of someone is different than doing it in response to a $100 mm donation. $100 mm buys you a lot more than just the name; and I'm not sure Oregon does anything without Phill Knight's permission. You get a sugar daddy that prolific, you tend to run things by him at the very least.

Maybe it was their idea and he just signed off on it, but I'd bet he had a lot of input.

Terrapins Fan Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:51am

Ugliest floor I have ever seen.

My son will not play college basketball at Oregon because of that and the fact that he doesn't have that skill set, but if he did......

Judtech Sun Jan 16, 2011 03:09pm

JRUT Actually in regards to Coach K court he has a LOT of input into it. He/Duke has been approached countless times about building a NEW Arena and he has repeatedly said he is not interested and if they do he will resign.

Now with regards to Oregon's court. I will be contrarian, I like it.

grunewar Sun Jan 16, 2011 03:30pm

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Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 716871)
He/Duke has been approached countless times about building a NEW Arena and he has repeatedly said he is not interested and if they do he will resign.

I was there once and couldn't believe how incredibly small it really is.......pretty cool place though.

The money they've lost over these many yrs not building a large, new venue is $much$!

Judtech Sun Jan 16, 2011 03:37pm

GRUN - That is debatable. Scarcity of resources etc make getting tickets VERY difficult. My wife and I are on different sides of the issue. (She favoring UNC) But we have always said that for facilities you should pick UNC for game day you should pick DUKE. (And now that Duke has the new practice facilities....I WIN!)

APG Sun Jan 16, 2011 03:59pm

Ugliest court I've ever seen. God-awful

TimTaylor Sun Jan 16, 2011 06:15pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 716532)
As an official, I'm with BNR. They noted the division line is hard to see. I couldn't see it at all on TV, and I wondered how easy it was to see on the court. That could be a problem from an officiating perspective. That's about all, though.

As a fan, however, I found it hard to watch.

I got to see it up close and personal a couple weeks ago - the division line is very hard to see unless you're standing right on top of it & looking for it.

Adam Sun Jan 16, 2011 06:18pm

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Originally Posted by TimTaylor (Post 716989)
I got to see it up close and personal a couple weeks ago - the division line is very hard to see unless you're standing right on top of it & looking for it.

That's what I gathered from the comments on TV. That would be a PITA, IMO, as an official.

JRutledge Sun Jan 16, 2011 06:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 716764)
Doing it in honor of someone is different than doing it in response to a $100 mm donation. $100 mm buys you a lot more than just the name; and I'm not sure Oregon does anything without Phill Knight's permission. You get a sugar daddy that prolific, you tend to run things by him at the very least.

Maybe it was their idea and he just signed off on it, but I'd bet he had a lot of input.

I did not say he had no input. I said it might not have been his idea or vision for the court.

Peace

Adam Sun Jan 16, 2011 06:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 716992)
I did not say he had no input. I said it might not have been his idea or vision for the court.

Peace

Gotcha. I'm leaning towards the fact that it was in fact his vision. For that kind of money, I'd have to be thrilled with the result. Especially if it has my name attached to it. Maybe that's just me.

BillyMac Sun Jan 16, 2011 07:41pm

Where's Bigfoot ???
 
First fan to find Sasquatch among the trees gets a free pedicure, from Matt Groening, during halftime, in the center circle. Really.

JRutledge Sun Jan 16, 2011 08:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 717007)
Gotcha. I'm leaning towards the fact that it was in fact his vision. For that kind of money, I'd have to be thrilled with the result. Especially if it has my name attached to it. Maybe that's just me.

Maybe you are right, but I heard it was not his vision or original idea. That is why I made the statements as it appeared the symbolism was not a original Nike idea or design (there is no Nike logo or other Nike symbolism on the court). Then again there have been many reports about what actually motivated this and why these kinds of trees and colors were used.

Peace

chseagle Sun Jan 16, 2011 08:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 717089)
Maybe you are right, but I heard it was not his vision or original idea. That is why I made the statements as it appeared the symbolism was not a original Nike idea or design (there is no Nike logo or other Nike symbolism on the court). Then again there have been many reports about what actually motivated this and why these kinds of trees and colors were used.

Peace

Symbolism for the first UO team that won the NCAA Men's Basketball Championship, whose nickname was "The Tall Firs".

zm1283 Sun Jan 16, 2011 08:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 717089)
Maybe you are right, but I heard it was not his vision or original idea. That is why I made the statements as it appeared the symbolism was not a original Nike idea or design (there is no Nike logo or other Nike symbolism on the court). Then again there have been many reports about what actually motivated this and why these kinds of trees and colors were used.

Peace

From a Yahoo article:

Quote:

Considering Oregon's deep-rooted ties to Nike, it shouldn't surprise anyone that Tinker Hatfield is the designer of the floor. Hatfield, a former Oregon track and field star and vice president of design and special projects for Nike, designed many of the shoes from the famed Air Jordan line.

JRutledge Sun Jan 16, 2011 09:19pm

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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 717120)
From a Yahoo article:

If someone paints my house, I get to decide what they paint or we have a problem. That is the point, if you cannot see that not my issue. ;)

Peace

Adam Sun Jan 16, 2011 09:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 717144)
If someone paints my house, I get to decide what they paint or we have a problem. That is the point, if you cannot see that not my issue. ;)

Peace

Ah, but if I'm paying for someone to paint your house and you choose a horrible paint color pattern, and it's going to be advertised world wide with my son's name (including my last name) on it, you can bet your last dollar I'd be approving of the final product and involved in its development.

just another ref Sun Jan 16, 2011 09:32pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 717144)
If someone paints my house, I get to decide what they paint or we have a problem.

Fair enough. But if they are paying for the paint, and your choices are let them paint it or watch it rot down, you may have to make a tough decision about the solution to the problem.

zm1283 Sun Jan 16, 2011 09:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 717144)
If someone paints my house, I get to decide what they paint or we have a problem. That is the point, if you cannot see that not my issue. ;)

Peace

I was simply pointing out who designed the court. I honestly hadn't really followed along with the little argument that was going on.

JRutledge Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:31am

Quote:

Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 717165)
I was simply pointing out who designed the court. I honestly hadn't really followed along with the little argument that was going on.

And I was simply saying who was responsible for the idea. And who is responsible is not necessarily the person that actually did the design. Someone can give the designer the ideas or the vision and you run with it.

Peace

chseagle Thu Jan 27, 2011 06:13pm

For those in the Pacific Northwest that haven't had a chance to see the new Oregon Couirt, tonight at 6 PM PST on Fox Sports Northwest the Lady Ducks play against Stanford.

It might be on in other parts of the nation as well though not sure


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