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Refsmitty Tue Jan 11, 2011 04:42pm

Pre-Game
 
After introduction at a VB game last night - the home team huddled with other students in one end of the gym and did their chant etc...

The 3 offcials are veterans in our association but did nothing.

I thought I read somewhere that beginning this year that type of huddle was no longer allowed - had to be in front of the team bench.:confused:

BktBallRef Tue Jan 11, 2011 04:49pm

Was it at the end of the gym where their bench is located?

Was it unsporting?

Refsmitty Tue Jan 11, 2011 04:52pm

No
 
It was under the basket in the student cheering section - about 60 feet from their bench - yes it was at the same end of the gym - diagonal from bench.

BktBallRef Tue Jan 11, 2011 04:53pm

I don't know where the student cheering section is.

Was it at the end of the gym where their bench is located?

Refsmitty Tue Jan 11, 2011 04:54pm

Same End
 
Yes - it was the same end of the gym as their bench

Adam Tue Jan 11, 2011 05:04pm

Might be a Michigan thing, but as long as they're on their half of the court, I got nothing.

POE #2 this year says, in part, "Gatherings intended to motivate a team after the warm up period, during, or following player introductions... should be performed in the area directly in front of the team bench."

Whether the basket is considered "directly in front of the team bench" is going to be up to the officials' discretion. OTOH, what would they have done? By the time they talked to the team about moving their little Under Armour chant, the chant would be over.

SAK Tue Jan 11, 2011 05:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 714660)
Might be a Michigan thing, but as long as they're on their half of the court, I got nothing.

POE #2 this year says, in part, "Gatherings intended to motivate a team after the warm up period, during, or following player introductions... should be performed in the area directly in front of the team bench."

In PA I would have nothing as well. It is on their end of the court, not the opponent's end.

Mark Padgett Tue Jan 11, 2011 05:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 714660)
"... should be performed in the area directly in front of the team bench."

Since there's a difference in the meaning of "should be" and "must be", I guess that also means there's a difference in the consequence for non-compliance.

BktBallRef Tue Jan 11, 2011 05:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Refsmitty (Post 714656)
Yes - it was the same end of the gym as their bench

Then I've got nothing. They're on their end, they're not doing anything unsporting.

POE have to be taken with a grain of salt. You can't just go out and start this mad enforcement, especially on things that aren't specifically supported by rule. Calling something in this situation is just asking for trouble. Be aware of the POE and act when something unsporting occurs.

Adam Tue Jan 11, 2011 05:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 714683)
Since there's a difference in the meaning of "should be" and "must be", I guess that also means there's a difference in the consequence for non-compliance.

Maybe, but the fact that there's no penalty noted for the action puts it in the realm of teams sitting during a 30 second TO. Instruct compliance first; then T after refusal.

With this situation, even if the team is far enough you can't consider it "directly" in front of their bench, by the time you instruct compliance the chant is over anyway.

That Ref: "Coach, your players need to do that chant in front of the bench."
Coach: "well, they're done now, should I have them start over in the proper location?"
That Ref: "Never mind."

Unless your governing body has determined you should go straight to a T, which is highly possible and has, in fact, been instructed for certain pre-game infractions in some jurisdictions.

chartrusepengui Wed Jan 12, 2011 08:54am

As long as they are on their half of the court they are "in front of their bench" technically. I wouldn't let them do it on the other half of the court or even on the center circle.

BillyMac Wed Jan 12, 2011 01:25pm

Circle The Wagons ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui (Post 714860)
I wouldn't let them do it on the other half of the court or even on the center circle.

Not near the center circle here in the Provisions State.


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