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cvscooby Sun Jan 09, 2011 05:16pm
Team Possession
 
Looking for some help from you experts. Here is the situation;

Team A is shooting a free throw and miss, both team A and B fight for the rebound. The ball is tipped around the key, and players fall to the ground with no one gaining possession. A whistle is blown and a three second call is made against team A. When the official is questioned about no possession, he explained that team A had “team possession” and was in the key for over three seconds. Therefore the call.

Can someone help with this, this one got me. It seemed like the team possession rule was improperly used. Please correct me if I’m wrong, and where it is I should be looking in the rule book for this.

Thanks All.

APG Sun Jan 09, 2011 05:28pm
Team control is established by a player holding or dribbling the ball inbounds. Without team control there can not be a 3 second call.

From the sounds of it, the official was incorrect in the OP.

Jurassic Referee Sun Jan 09, 2011 05:28pm
The call was wrong. If your description is accurate, there was no player or team control established.

grunewar Sun Jan 09, 2011 05:29pm
Sure, I can help you....
 
Bad call.

Adam Sun Jan 09, 2011 06:56pm
Maybe he felt they gained possession at some point during the scrum.

cvscooby Sun Jan 09, 2011 07:09pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 713840)
Maybe he felt they gained possession at some point during the scrum.
No, I talked to him and he said the freethrow shooter established "Team Possession" and he agreed with me whan I said it was a loose ball.

Adam Sun Jan 09, 2011 07:19pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by cvscooby (Post 713843)
No, I talked to him and he said the freethrow shooter established "Team Possession" and he agreed with me whan I said it was a loose ball.
No such thing as a "loose ball," although I know what you mean here. The terminology is for other rule sets, not NFHS.

As described, he was just wrong. There is no TC on a try, and it does not get re-established until a player is either holding or dribbling the ball.

BillyMac Sun Jan 09, 2011 08:18pm
Paradise Lost (John Milton) ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cvscooby (Post 713843)
No, I talked to him and he said the free throw shooter established "Team Possession".
Well the free throw shooter did have player control, and thus his team had team control, but all that was lost when the free throw was shot.

Was he wearing a belt?

just another ref Sun Jan 09, 2011 08:23pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 713872)

Was he wearing a belt?
Was he wearing it over his eyes?

mbyron Mon Jan 10, 2011 08:03am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 713847)
There is no TC on a try, and it does not get re-established until a player is either holding or dribbling a live ball inbounds.
Fixed it for ya. ;)

doubleringer Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:44am
Quote:
Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 713874)
Was he wearing it over his eyes?
The other night I worked a JUCO game where the home team shuts off the lights and puts a spotlight on their players during introductions to get all 14 fans in the crowd all fired up. As soon as the lights went off, I went to one of my partners and asked if this is how the game looked to him all the time. :D

Adam Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:23pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 714006)
Fixed it for ya. ;)
True, but not applicable to the situation. :D

just another ref Mon Jan 10, 2011 01:51pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by doubleringer (Post 714057)
The other night I worked a JUCO game where the home team shuts off the lights and puts a spotlight on their players during introductions to get all 14 fans in the crowd all fired up. As soon as the lights went off, I went to one of my partners and asked if this is how the game looked to him all the time. :D
He had a belt over his eyes?


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