Team Control Mechanic Not Authorized in Ohio

[Rich]

Originally Posted by jhc2010

This is from the Ohio High School Official Association. They do not allow their officials to use the punch for a team control foul and require officials to go against the NFHS mechanics manual and go behind the head when calling an illegal screen.

"Several questions have been raised concerning the proper signal for a “team control” foul. There has been no change from the previous years. In Ohio, we will continue to use signal #34 for both TEAM and PLAYER control fouls. We will NOT use signal #35 for TEAM control fouls. Again, there is no change from past years."

http://www.ohsaa.org/officials/Offic...TER%202011.pdf

They go on to say later in the Winter Bulletin they issued today:
"Please adhere to the mechanics as outlined in the NF Officials Manual. One of our major goals for the officiating program is consistency in mechanics throughout the state. There is no place for individual preferences and modifications of the mechanics either by association or conference.

What's up with this?

Personally, I'd be OK with using the player control signal for a TC foul. The punch looks a lot like a point in the other direction, IMO. I use the proper signal but could make that switch quickly.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Personally, I'd be OK with using the player control signal for a TC foul. The punch looks a lot like a point in the other direction, IMO. I use the proper signal but could make that switch quickly.

Ironically, I'd rather do away with the PC signal and just use the TC signal for both. The PC signal just feels really awkward.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Ironically, I'd rather do away with the PC signal and just use the TC signal for both. The PC signal just feels really awkward.

Agreed. I use the TC signal when giving my prelim for PC fouls. At the table, I use the PC signal but I was trained by a former CBA ref who always told us to "punch it" on PC fouls.

I know some people don't like that but the PC signal feels and looks really awkward, especially on a prelim. Nobody has said anything to me about using the mechanics I do on the prelim.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

Agreed. I use the TC signal when giving my prelim for PC fouls. At the table, I use the PC signal but I was trained by a former CBA ref who always told us to "punch it" on PC fouls.

I know some people don't like that but the PC signal feels and looks really awkward, especially on a prelim. Nobody has said anything to me about using the mechanics I do on the prelim.

Well, in retrospect, I agree. I always punch it at the spot and give the PC signal at the table. And that's what I'm really advocating for both TC and PC fouls. At the table, the punch seems awkward to me -- at the spot the punch the other way is just perfect.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Well, in retrospect, I agree. I always punch it at the spot and give the PC signal at the table. And that's what I'm really advocating for both TC and PC fouls. At the table, the punch seems awkward to me -- at the spot the punch the other way is just perfect.

Gotcha.

To be honest, I have not really been using the punch mechanic at the table either. Instead I've been going with the block mechanic for illegal screens, which I should probably stop doing.

I agree the punch can seem a little awkward at the table. But I guess I should start practicing that too.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Ironically, I'd rather do away with the PC signal and just use the TC signal for both. The PC signal just feels really awkward.

I agree..especially on bang bang calls. A team control signal looks a lot stronger and sells a call a lot more, IMO than putting a hand behind the head. Plus it just looks silly. I'll still report it that way at the table though.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

It just looks silly.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Ironically, I'd rather do away with the PC signal and just use the TC signal for both. The PC signal just feels really awkward.

On my bang-bang PC fouls, my prelim on the spot is to point the other direction (index finger). At the table I go with the PC mechanic.

On team control fouls I sometimes punch, sometimes point, on the spot. To the table I give either a punch or block mechanic. Just whatever feels natural at that moment.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

On my bang-bang PC fouls, my prelim on the spot is to point the other direction (index finger).
On team control fouls I sometimes punch, sometimes point, on the spot.

Trying to find which illustration in the back of the book legitimizes an index finger point. Am I missing something here?

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Just whatever feels natural at that moment.

Oh, that clarifies it.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Trying to find which illustration in the back of the book legitimizes an index finger point. Am I missing something here?



Oh, that clarifies it.

Never said it was in the back of the book. Never had a supervisor or observer tell me to stop either.

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by welpe

ironically, i'd rather do away with the pc signal and just use the tc signal for both. The pc signal just feels really awkward.

+1

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by jhc2010

This is from the Ohio High School Official Association. They do not allow their officials to use the punch for a team control foul and require officials to go against the NFHS mechanics manual and go behind the head when calling an illegal screen.

"Several questions have been raised concerning the proper signal for a “team control” foul. There has been no change from the previous years. In Ohio, we will continue to use signal #34 for both TEAM and PLAYER control fouls. We will NOT use signal #35 for TEAM control fouls. Again, there is no change from past years."

http://www.ohsaa.org/officials/Offic...TER%202011.pdf

They go on to say later in the Winter Bulletin they issued today:
"Please adhere to the mechanics as outlined in the NF Officials Manual. One of our major goals for the officiating program is consistency in mechanics throughout the state. There is no place for individual preferences and modifications of the mechanics either by association or conference.

What's up with this?

No idea...and evidently, no one else here does either.

[BillyMac]

"I have already received a report regarding an official, who, while on the court and supposedly officiating a scrimmage, was also texting! This is totally unacceptable behavior."

I thought Mark Padgett lived in Oregon, not Ohio.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

"I have already received a report regarding an official, who, while on the court and supposedly officiating a scrimmage, was also texting! This is totally unacceptable behavior."

I thought Mark Padgett lived in Oregon, not Ohio.

In my defense, I was posting the play to this forum so I wouldn't forget it.

[Welpe]

I'm surprised Lord Byon has not chimed in yet.