VaTerp Welpe wroteIronically, I'd rather do away with the PC signal and just use the TC signal for both. The PC signal just feels really awkward. Agreed. I use the TC signal when giving my prelim for PC fouls. At the table, I use the PC signal but I was trained by a former CBA ref who always told us to "punch it" on PC fouls. I know some people don't like that but the PC signal feels and looks really awkward, especially on a prelim. Nobody has said anything to me about using the mechanics I do on the prelim.
Rich VaTerp wroteAgreed. I use the TC signal when giving my prelim for PC fouls. At the table, I use the PC signal but I was trained by a former CBA ref who always told us to "punch it" on PC fouls. I know some people don't like that but the PC signal feels and looks really awkward, especially on a prelim. Nobody has said anything to me about using the mechanics I do on the prelim. Well, in retrospect, I agree. I always punch it at the spot and give the PC signal at the table. And that's what I'm really advocating for both TC and PC fouls. At the table, the punch seems awkward to me -- at the spot the punch the other way is just perfect.
APG Welpe wroteIronically, I'd rather do away with the PC signal and just use the TC signal for both. The PC signal just feels really awkward. I agree..especially on bang bang calls. A team control signal looks a lot stronger and sells a call a lot more, IMO than putting a hand behind the head. Plus it just looks silly. I'll still report it that way at the table though.
VaTerp RichMSN wroteWell, in retrospect, I agree. I always punch it at the spot and give the PC signal at the table. And that's what I'm really advocating for both TC and PC fouls. At the table, the punch seems awkward to me -- at the spot the punch the other way is just perfect. Gotcha. To be honest, I have not really been using the punch mechanic at the table either. Instead I've been going with the block mechanic for illegal screens, which I should probably stop doing. I agree the punch can seem a little awkward at the table. But I guess I should start practicing that too.
Welpe VaTerp wroteGotcha. I agree the punch can seem a little awkward at the table. But I guess I should start practicing that too. I've been doing the same. TC or PC signal as appropriate for pre-lim and then the actual foul signal (block, charge, etc) when reporting. APG, the PC on a banger block/charge is what really seems to tie me. It seems a lot more natural to just go with the TC.
JRutledge Scrapper1 wroteSounds like somebody is exercising their individual preferences and modifications of the mechanics. 🙂 Aaaannnnd that is their right to do so. 🙂 Peace
Raymond Welpe wroteIronically, I'd rather do away with the PC signal and just use the TC signal for both. The PC signal just feels really awkward. On my bang-bang PC fouls, my prelim on the spot is to point the other direction (index finger). At the table I go with the PC mechanic. On team control fouls I sometimes punch, sometimes point, on the spot. To the table I give either a punch or block mechanic. Just whatever feels natural at that moment.
APG Welpe wrote APG, the PC on a banger block/charge is what really seems to tie me. It seems a lot more natural to just go with the TC. Exactly. To me, it's more natural and just a stronger signal. I kind of wish they'd just do away with the player control signal
Camron Rust Additionally, a PC foul is essentially just a special version of at TC foul. If you apply the same extension for an airborne shooter to the TC foul, every PC foul would also be a TC foul. Just get rid of the PC foul since the only real difference is that it is specifically on the player with the ball but it has no additional consequence.
BktBallRef jhc2010 wroteThis is from the Ohio High School Official Association. They do not allow their officials to use the punch for a team control foul and require officials to go against the NFHS mechanics manual and go behind the head when calling an illegal screen. "Several questions have been raised concerning the proper signal for a “team control” foul. There has been no change from the previous years. In Ohio, we will continue to use signal #34 for both TEAM and PLAYER control fouls. We will NOT use signal #35 for TEAM control fouls. Again, there is no change from past years." http://www.ohsaa.org/officials/Officials%20News%20items/BK%20BULLETIN%20WINTER%202011.pdf They go on to say later in the Winter Bulletin they issued today: "Please adhere to the mechanics as outlined in the NF Officials Manual. One of our major goals for the officiating program is consistency in mechanics throughout the state. There is no place for individual preferences and modifications of the mechanics either by association or conference. What's up with this? No idea...and evidently, no one else here does either. 🙂
BillyMac "I have already received a report regarding an official, who, while on the court and supposedly officiating a scrimmage, was also texting! This is totally unacceptable behavior." I thought Mark Padgett lived in Oregon, not Ohio.
Eastshire BillyMac wrote"I have already received a report regarding an official, who, while on the court and supposedly officiating a scrimmage, was also texting! This is totally unacceptable behavior." I thought Mark Padgett lived in Oregon, not Ohio. In my defense, I was posting the play to this forum so I wouldn't forget it. 😀
BillyMac "Finally, extra caution should be taken when getting involved with Facebook or other internet social media. Officials should never be making attempts to befriend players, in particular, of the opposite gender." Ohio officials have to be told this ????
BillyMac "A has the ball out of bounds for a throw in. Four team A players line up along the free throw lane in a very close line. (they are spooning) B1 forces his way between two of the team A players." Can't wait for Mark Padgett to get his hands on this one.
BillyMac Jurassic Referee wroteEither that or practicing to be IAABO members when they grow up. We don't modify mechanics. We have our own stoopid IAABO mechanics.
Welpe And suddenly I have this image of BillyMac in a bathrobe with a half consumed bottle of wine on his desk giggling at his computer monitor. 😀
BillyMac Welpe wroteAnd suddenly I have this image of BillyMac in a bathrobe with a half consumed bottle of wine on his desk giggling at his computer monitor. Sorry. I didn't realize my webcam was on.
Jurassic Referee BillyMac wroteWe don't modify mechanics. We have our own stoopid IAABO mechanics.That was point, William. Ohio and IAABO both feel free to make up their very own mechanics. Now ask me if I care. 😀
