Administering a false multiple

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Scratch85

Let me start by saying Bob lead me down this road. But since I am driving recklessly down this road; there is no (NFHS) defined "Simultaneous Foul". There is a defined "Simultaneous Foul by Opponents", 4-19-10.

So any fouls committed simultaneously by teammates would fit into the undefined simultaneous fouls. These undefined simultaneous fouls are the ones that are not considered Common Fouls, 4-19-2. Which brings us back to 4-8-1.

I would bet my last dollar, in my pocket, that 4 out of 5 of us would rule the same when dealing with the OP. But the wording in 4-19-10 has got me (over)thinking about the Fed's intent.

Snaqs, thanks for playing along in this discussion, but isn't it really late MT?

My point is that the exception in 4-19-2 has to be referring to 4-19-10, and that you (and yes, bob) are reading too much into the location of the words "by an opponent" in 4-19-10. Both of the other exceptions in that clause refer to defined categories of fouls; why would this be different?

I will add that some guidance from the powers would be nice on situations where you absolutely cannot determine which foul happened first. Something similar to the ruling for multiple fouls would be nice, to be honest.