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Old Tue Jan 04, 2011, 09:21am
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Coach A fails to list B32 on his roster. 2 minutes into the game B32 commits a foul. It is now discovered that B32 is not in the book. B32 is added and the officials assess an "indirect" technical against the HC and revoke his privilege to stand in the coaching box. At halftime the officials check the rulebook and realize they erred in assessing an "indirect" against the HC.

The officials are committed to the "indirect" and can't correct it?
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Old Tue Jan 04, 2011, 09:28am
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Coach A fails to list B32 on his roster. 2 minutes into the game B32 commits a foul. It is now discovered that B32 is not in the book. B32 is added and the officials assess an "indirect" technical against the HC and revoke his privilege to stand in the coaching box. At halftime the officials check the rulebook and realize they erred in assessing an "indirect" against the HC.

The officials are committed to the "indirect" and can't correct it?
What rule would you use to correct it?
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Old Tue Jan 04, 2011, 09:42am
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Coach A fails to list B32 on his roster. 2 minutes into the game B32 commits a foul. It is now discovered that B32 is not in the book. B32 is added and the officials assess an "indirect" technical against the HC and revoke his privilege to stand in the coaching box. At halftime the officials check the rulebook and realize they erred in assessing an "indirect" against the HC.

The officials are committed to the "indirect" and can't correct it?
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What rule would you use to correct it?
If I'm the "R" I'm going to make it right and then take whatever heat comes my way from the assignor, rules backing or not.
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Old Wed Jan 05, 2011, 02:08am
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if i'm the "r" i'm going to make it right and then take whatever heat comes my way from the assignor, rules backing or not.
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Old Tue Jan 04, 2011, 09:46am
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What rule would you use to correct it?
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Old Tue Jan 04, 2011, 10:00am
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Not sure if anyone intercepted the calling official prior to reporting in the OP, if not, this is one of the many reasons why we should come together first & talk it out.
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Old Tue Jan 04, 2011, 10:59am
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Not sure if anyone intercepted the calling official prior to reporting in the OP, if not, this is one of the many reasons why we should come together first & talk it out.
As a newbie I feel this is very important . especially as we're learning communication with partner(s). You experienced guys and gals can communicate a lot with subtle looks and gestures etc that I don't yet pick up on , as well as partner to partner signals. And learning/trying to use proper mechanics . It's all part of the "don't rush" advice I've recieved here in previous threads , I need (and mostly have been getting) a few extra seconds sometimes on "normal " plays and procedures , more so on more complicated and important calls . If us newbies forget or mess up a mechanic , our partners don't know what's going on either! ( 2 shots or not, shot counts or not, spot of throw in, who's the foul on,warnings that were supposed to have been issued ...) I also had charged a t to a player instead of the team, knowing the throw in/plane violation rule, but messing it up anyway.This time it didn't result in a dq, but could have. Whats automatic with you , I may need to confirm or be corrected on. Then we won't need to "undo it" later in the game Maybe even the old heads need to take as much time as necessary to get it right.
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Old Tue Jan 04, 2011, 10:17am
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"And sometimes you have to referee by the rules"- me

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Old Tue Jan 04, 2011, 12:06pm
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"And sometimes you have to referee by the rules". (Jurassic Referee)

"And that why officiating is an art as well as being a science". (Jurassic Referee)
True. It's in "Bartlett's Familiar Quotations". They're in the chapter entitled "Quotes From Hell".
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Old Tue Jan 04, 2011, 01:30pm
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In the OP, B1 has a foul recorded in the book which he did not commit. I consider this a bookkeeping error, regardless of what caused it. Now B1 no longer has 5 fouls. No reason he can't play. JMO
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Old Tue Jan 04, 2011, 03:46pm
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Look at it this way

What if it happened like this : The mistake came just before half time. The incorrect T given to B1 became his 3rd total foul. At halftime we discuss and realize our mistake. When returning to the court would you have the scorer correct our mistake in this situation? If so, then why not near the end of the second half?
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Old Wed Jan 05, 2011, 12:52am
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In the OP, B1 has a foul recorded in the book which he did not commit. I consider this a bookkeeping error, regardless of what caused it. Now B1 no longer has 5 fouls. No reason he can't play. JMO
The official said "Technical foul, blue #1."

The scorer records the T on blue #1.

That is NOT a bookkeeping error.

It's an official's error.
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