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Freddy Tue Dec 28, 2010 08:42pm

To Whom May Timeout Be Granted?
 
Situation tonight for fellow official who asked me prompts these questions of you.
His Situation: A1 has player control under pressure from B2 and B3. Official hears from the bench area, "Time out! Time out!" Official, assuming it is the head coach making the request, grants the time out -- only to find out when he turns around it was not requested by the head coach but by the assistant.


Question #1: May a timeout request be properly granted only if made by a player or a head coach?
3-1-2 and 5-8-3 seem to say so.

Question #2: If an assistant coach's request for a timeout was granted by an official, could that the granting of that request, if illegitimate by rule, be retracted so that an "inadvertent whistle" situation results, ala 5.8.3 E, (b): the Team A head coach is yelling “side out” offensive instructions to his/her team and the official stops play believing the coach requested a time-out.
I'm guessing that if the head coach does not desire a timeout, it can be retracted by the official, resulting in an inadvertent whistle and ball out at POI. If the head coach wants the timeout, he'd just say so before the official retracts it and life would go on as normal.

Am I missing something here?

Adam Tue Dec 28, 2010 08:50pm

Now that the ball is dead, a timeout may be granted to either coach or any player.
If, after blowing the whistle, the official has any doubt as to whether the HC had requested it, he may (should) go with an IW if the HC denies making the request.

OnePutt Tue Dec 28, 2010 08:58pm

In response to Question 2, and assuming HC of Team A opts for the IW, Team A is getting out of the trap (thereby punishing Team B for good defense) at no cost to them. Who is to say HC didn't put the asst. up to it?

grunewar Tue Dec 28, 2010 09:03pm

Me thinks.....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OnePutt (Post 710530)
Who is to say HC didn't put the asst. up to it?

with all that's going on in a game, you're giving a coach an awful lot of credit for coming up with a bizarre play at the spur of the moment.....

"Quick, request a timeout!"

just another ref Tue Dec 28, 2010 09:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnePutt (Post 710530)
Who is to say HC didn't put the asst. up to it?

If he did, he gets credit for being smarter than the official, and the official hopefully makes sure next time he knows who was making the request.

Mregor Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:09pm

Me: Coach, what do you want a 30 or full?
HC: What? I didn't ask for a timeout.
Me: It might have been your ASSistant, but that's gonna cost you a T so what do you want, 30 or full?
HC: 30.

just another ref Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mregor (Post 710569)
Me: Coach, what do you want a 30 or full?
HC: What? I didn't ask for a timeout.
Me: It might have been your ASSistant, but that's gonna cost you a T so what do you want, 30 or full?
HC: 30.

A T for the assistant requesting a timeout, which you improperly granted? Good luck with that.

Mregor Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 710572)
A T for the assistant requesting a timeout, which you improperly granted? Good luck with that.

You're already screwed by granting the timeout from an unauthorized individual. What are you gonna do? IW where the offense who was trapped is now bailed out? Where I work, assistants are to be seen and not heard. If they are addressing the officials during a live ball, I have no problem with a T. Why make another error to try and correct the original error of granting the TO?

just another ref Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:37pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mregor (Post 710577)
You're already screwed by granting the timeout from an unauthorized individual. What are you gonna do? IW where the offense who was trapped is now bailed out? Where I work, assistants are to be seen and not heard. If they are addressing the officials during a live ball, I have no problem with a T. Why make another error to try and correct the original error of granting the TO?

Why make another error by calling a T which is not justified? Asst. coach yelling timeout is not against the rules. He could have been yelling for a player to make the request.

Mregor Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:41pm

Never T'd a coach in this situation. Actually, don't recall the exact situation ever happening, but before coaches boxes, I used the similiar line to standing coaches all the time. Same philosophy. What are you gonna do? You've already blown the whistle so advantage is to the Offense or the team that you wrongly granted the TO. The air is already in the whistle, what are you gonna do? That's what the OP wanted to know. I gave an answer. All you did was critisize mine. Let's here yours so I can call you a dumb ***.

just another ref Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:28am

If the head coach and the team all proceeded to huddle, I would probably report the timeout, say nothing, and make a mental note to be more careful.

If the head coach speaks up "I didn't call timeout!" tell him the truth.

"Your assistant did. I made a mistake by granting it. If you don't want it, we'll play on."

IW

just another ref Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:32am

New quote Billy Mac: Better to miss a TO request by the head coach than to grant one by the assistant.

BktBallRef Wed Dec 29, 2010 01:26am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 710528)
Am I missing something here?

Nothing other than reminding your friend NOT to grant a timeout unless he turns to see who is making the request.

Freddy Wed Dec 29, 2010 07:23pm

Thanx for the Insights
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 710594)
Nothing other than reminding your friend NOT to grant a timeout unless he turns to see who is making the request.

Oh yeah, you bet I did. I pointed him to the responses in this thread and know he will own this from now on.

Thanx for the well-reasoned, seasoned reactions.


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