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Adam Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:56pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 710314)
Agree. Here in our little corner of the Land of Steady Habits, rookie officials already have an identifier, they don't have an IAABO patch. Coaches, and fans, can, and do, pick up on this. They're not as dumb as we say they are.

This is true; my first year in IAABO, I was patched but working a game without a patch (my true rookie partner had his patch on). One of the fans, right before half time, "go back to school and get your patch!" I really wished I had a patched shirt in my suitcase to switch, just for effect.

BillyMac Tue Dec 28, 2010 01:24pm

Just An Idea ...
 
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Originally Posted by Bad Zebra (Post 710388)
The belts can serve as "training wheels". Once you learn what you're doing, you earn the right ...

... to go commando, and eventaully you earn the right to go pantless.

Rich Tue Dec 28, 2010 01:33pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 710439)
This is true; my first year in IAABO, I was patched but working a game without a patch (my true rookie partner had his patch on). One of the fans, right before half time, "go back to school and get your patch!" I really wished I had a patched shirt in my suitcase to switch, just for effect.

This concept of a patch equals credibility is about as dumb as it gets. NCAA officials don't wear patches during the regular season. I'm *thrilled* we wear no patches here in WI for HS games.

Adam Tue Dec 28, 2010 01:36pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 710444)
This concept of a patch equals credibility is about as dumb as it gets. NCAA officials don't wear patches during the regular season. I'm *thrilled* we wear no patches here in WI for HS games.

Yeah, it was odd to me, coming here from Iowa where state patches were authorized but not worn.

TheBest Tue Dec 28, 2010 02:28pm

As I mentioned it was just a passing thought as I was reading some other thread that was discussing the concern of a new person on the court. After reading the first few comments, I realized how naive I was in thinking that audiences would be that forgiving... Hence I did/do not have much more to say http://forum.officiating.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

DLH17 Tue Dec 28, 2010 02:34pm

I take issue with just about anything that draws even one more iota of attention to an official. Sorry to say, that includes pink whistles. Even though my mom is a 30 year cancer survivor, I don't like the officials using them. The players, otoh, is fine by me. The game is all about the players, imo.

Terrapins Fan Tue Dec 28, 2010 02:47pm

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 710427)
And by the way, I love gray shirts and wish that the NFHS and NCAA would go to them exclusively.

MTD, Sr.

But chicks dig the stripes.

Rich Tue Dec 28, 2010 02:50pm

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Originally Posted by DLH17 (Post 710454)
I take issue with just about anything that draws even one more iota of attention to an official. Sorry to say, that includes pink whistles. Even though my mom is a 30 year cancer survivor, I don't like the officials using them. The players, otoh, is fine by me. The game is all about the players, imo.

Sorry, but we're part of the game, too. I've never bought this line of thinking -- not for a minute. I'm not out there to be noticed or to showboat, but I'm not out there to hide in the shadows, either.

BillyMac Tue Dec 28, 2010 03:02pm

Apologies To Nathaniel Hawthorne ...
 
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bainsey Tue Dec 28, 2010 04:04pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 710459)
Sorry, but we're part of the game, too. I've never bought this line of thinking -- not for a minute.

+1

Players, coaches, and officials always affect the outcome of a game, albeit in varying degrees. The belief of "never should affect" is naïve and myopic.

Freddy Tue Dec 28, 2010 04:06pm

Quite the Opposite!!!
 
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Originally Posted by TheBest (Post 710304)
Just a thought. Would it help the crowd and rookie refs to have an identifier on their shirt that identifies them as newbies? Would all be more tolerant of potentially incorrect calls?

If any "identifier" is needed on the shirt, it should be for the veteran official who . . .
- detests working a lower level game since he thinks he deserves only varsity assignments
- refuses to arrive early enough to do a good lockerroom pregame with partner(s)
- hasn't cracked a rulebook or casebook since the three point arc was inaugurated
- has no clue what a primary area of responsibility is
- makes his mechanics a means whereby to call attention to himself (cf. "Mechanics Pet Peeves")
- took that assignment knowing full well he's got a conflict of interest with one of the teams
- doesn't care about helping to make his partner(s) better
- (add more here yourself . . . . . . )

THAT'S the guy that needs an "identifier"! :rolleyes:

26 Year Gap Tue Dec 28, 2010 04:31pm

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Originally Posted by DLH17 (Post 710454)
I take issue with just about anything that draws even one more iota of attention to an official. Sorry to say, that includes pink whistles. Even though my mom is a 30 year cancer survivor, I don't like the officials using them. The players, otoh, is fine by me. The game is all about the players, imo.

I don't agree with the players having whistles.

Adam Tue Dec 28, 2010 06:44pm

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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 710478)
I don't agree with the players having whistles.

Yeah, I don't care what color whistle they have; it's a bad idea.

deecee Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:10pm

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Originally Posted by DLH17 (Post 710454)
I take issue with just about anything that draws even one more iota of attention to an official. Sorry to say, that includes pink whistles. Even though my mom is a 30 year cancer survivor, I don't like the officials using them. The players, otoh, is fine by me. The game is all about the players, imo.

So wrong you are...So wrong you are

Quote:

Originally Posted by DLH17 (Post 710454)
I take issue with just about anything that draws even one more iota of attention to an official. Sorry to say, that includes pink whistles. Even though my mom is a 30 year cancer survivor, I don't like the officials using them. The players, otoh, is fine by me. The game is all about the players, coaches, programs, parents, schools, sponsors, fans, etc., etc. imo.


Mregor Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:31pm

I can see it now, much like a "rookie stripe" on NASCAR, a yellow bar on the back of the shirt. Yeah, that will help!


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