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Freddy Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:01pm
What Would You Do Without Me?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 709527)
You didn't have him pick it up off the court? That is probably the only thing I would have done. The rest of that is, well, plumbing.
There we go with the "plumbing" slam again. :mad:
Look, where would you be without plumbers like me? Why not say, "The rest of that is, well, environmental chemistry." Now that would make some sense. :p

(Remember, everytime you flush, you put food on my family's table!) :D

BktBallRef Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:05pm
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Originally Posted by JerzeeRef (Post 709543)
Not pulling anyones chain here......just learning as I go along in this great game of life. It's always nice to see the different opinions out there.

Even though 3-7 Safety Concerns, allows me to use my judgement for any item that constitutes a safety concern.

So I have a child here that needs two eyes to drive, read, go to school, etc.etc., I now have this player closing one eye while trying to shoot or catch a pass or run, in my opinion this was a safety concern.

In you opinion, I might have been a little OOO, or Bull$hit. I'm sorry that we don't agree. But this was a first for me, I did not have time to think this over. I reacted to what I felt was a safety concern.

I could just see it now: The Judge "So, Mr. Referee you saw #12 remove his contact, close his eye and try to play, just before a pass, that he did not see crushed him in the face breaking his nose....and you felt this was not a safety concern? I'm sorry but you are still liable for his his injuries."
Okay, let me attempt at being more constructive.

You can send a player to the bench for failure to wear required equipment properly.
You send a player to the bench for wearing illegal equipment.

That's it.

You cannot send a player to the bench because he decided he doesn't want to wear something that's not required. Whether it's glasses, socks, a t-shirt, jock strap, or cup, you can't stop him or send him out of the game.

The coach was 100% correct, he now has no respect for you as an official and he's telling every coach and official he talks to what you did.

Tell you what, if you don't believe us, call your assignor and tell him what you did. (Of course, he may already have heard.) Then, get back to us.

Until then....Merry Christmas! http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...ges/santa2.gif

BktBallRef Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:09pm
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Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 709568)
There we go with the "plumbing" slam again. :mad:
Look, where would you be without plumbers like me? Why not say, "The rest of that is, well, environmental chemistry." Now that would make some sense. :p

(Remember, everytime you flush, you put food on my family's table!) :D
Allow me to apologize for all of us. Nothing wrong with being a plumber unless you decide to do it on the basketball court.

On behave of officials everywhere, thank you for your service to our pipes! http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra.../notworthy.gif

justacoach Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:17pm
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Originally Posted by JerzeeRef (Post 709543)
Not pulling anyones chain here......just learning as I go along in this great game of life. It's always nice to see the different opinions out there.

Even though 3-7 Safety Concerns, allows me to use my judgement for any item that constitutes a safety concern.

I might have been a little OOO, or Bull$hit. I reacted to what I felt was a safety concern.
Double BS!!! The only legit safety concern is the one you neglected: The crumpled up pieces of contact lens on the floor...
I'm sure you'll have a hard time living down this episode

APG Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:18pm
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Originally Posted by JerzeeRef (Post 709543)
Not pulling anyones chain here......just learning as I go along in this great game of life. It's always nice to see the different opinions out there.

Even though 3-7 Safety Concerns, allows me to use my judgement for any item that constitutes a safety concern.

So I have a child here that needs two eyes to drive, read, go to school, etc.etc., I now have this player closing one eye while trying to shoot or catch a pass or run, in my opinion this was a safety concern.

In you opinion, I might have been a little OOO, or Bull$hit. I'm sorry that we don't agree. But this was a first for me, I did not have time to think this over. I reacted to what I felt was a safety concern.

I could just see it now: The Judge "So, Mr. Referee you saw #12 remove his contact, close his eye and try to play, just before a pass, that he did not see crushed him in the face breaking his nose....and you felt this was not a safety concern? I'm sorry but you are still liable for his his injuries."
Are you taking a player out who wears goggles for his vision but decides to take them off? What about a player who's wearing a brace but decides to take it off. What about a player who began the game with a wrap but decides to take off the tape?

The opinion has been unanimous...this was completely over officious.

Freddy Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:24pm
Apology Accepted
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 709574)
Allow me to apologize for all of us. Nothing wrong with being a plumber unless you decide to do it on the basketball court.

On behave of officials everywhere, thank you for your service to our pipes! http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra.../notworthy.gif
P.S. I was, after all, the one of our three-man crew to pick up what appeared to be that portion of a Baby Ruth or large Tootsie Roll off the court two or three years ago, only to find out it wasn't of an edible substance. Cf. Referee magazine, July 2008, p.82. Varsity coach at that site reminded me of it just last night.

Cobra Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:53pm
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Originally Posted by JerzeeRef (Post 709543)
So I have a child here that needs two eyes to drive, read, go to school, etc.etc., I now have this player closing one eye while trying to shoot or catch a pass or run, in my opinion this was a safety concern.
Actually you only need one good eye to drive legally (may not be true everywhere). No one needs two eyes to read nor to go to school.

How bad do one's eyes have to be before they can play with only one contact lens?

BktBallRef Thu Dec 23, 2010 01:01am
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Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 709591)
P.S. I was, after all, the one of our three-man crew to pick up what appeared to be that portion of a Baby Ruth or large Tootsie Roll off the court two or three years ago, only to find out it wasn't of an edible substance. Cf. Referee magazine, July 2008, p.82. Varsity coach at that site reminded me of it just last night.
I hate it when that happens! http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...mbarrassed.gif

BillyMac Thu Dec 23, 2010 07:26am
Have Test Tube, Will Travel ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 709568)
Remember, every time you flush, you put food on my family's table!
That's my line. Also, every time you flush, an angel gets her plumber's license.

Jurassic Referee Thu Dec 23, 2010 08:16am
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Originally Posted by JerzeeRef (Post 709543)
Not pulling anyones chain here......just learning as I go along in this great game of life. It's always nice to see the different opinions out there.
They're not opinions. They're correct interpretations of the rule.

As you said above, learn from it as you go along. Part of that learning is admitting to yourself that you indeed did made a mistake. Once you do that, it should be a mistake that you'll never make again.

mbyron Thu Dec 23, 2010 08:20am
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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 709558)
I actually lost both lenses during a wrestling match in middle school and managed to finish the match.
So, since you couldn't see your opponent, you had to grope around for him? :eek:

26 Year Gap Thu Dec 23, 2010 11:52am
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Originally Posted by JerzeeRef (Post 709543)
Not pulling anyones chain here......just learning as I go along in this great game of life. It's always nice to see the different opinions out there.

Even though 3-7 Safety Concerns, allows me to use my judgement for any item that constitutes a safety concern.

So I have a child here that needs two eyes to drive, read, go to school, etc.etc., I now have this player closing one eye while trying to shoot or catch a pass or run, in my opinion this was a safety concern.

In you opinion, I might have been a little OOO, or Bull$hit. I'm sorry that we don't agree. But this was a first for me, I did not have time to think this over. I reacted to what I felt was a safety concern.

I could just see it now: The Judge "So, Mr. Referee you saw #12 remove his contact, close his eye and try to play, just before a pass, that he did not see crushed him in the face breaking his nose....and you felt this was not a safety concern? I'm sorry but you are still liable for his his injuries."
You indicated that the player was removed from the game by you when he was at the free throw line. There was no "player closing one eye while trying to shoot or catch a pass or run". Are you an optometrist? Do you have a pocket eye chart? What you did has made you "That Guy". And arguing with us about it makes me wonder if your partner's name was Costello. Because you appear to be Yabut.

Admit your mistake and hope that you can move on and not make another one like that. It will take a lot of games to get to the point where you can look back and laugh at what you did and to have others around you in your association and in the coaching fraternity not think of you in that manner. It will take a lot more if you think what you did was right.

just another ref Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:43pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by JerzeeRef (Post 709543)
I could just see it now: The Judge "So, Mr. Referee you saw #12 remove his contact, close his eye and try to play, just before a pass, that he did not see crushed him in the face breaking his nose....and you felt this was not a safety concern? I'm sorry but you are still liable for his his injuries."
If he comes in with a white cane and a dog and you let him play, that doesn't make you liable for his injuries.

"Dammit, Jim, you're not a doctor!"

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Mark Padgett Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:47pm
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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 709558)
I actually lost both lenses during a wrestling match in middle school and managed to finish the match.
When I was in middle school (actually, Jr. High), we wore monocles or spectacles. Ben Franklin had just invented them.

BillyMac Thu Dec 23, 2010 02:11pm
Now He Does ...
 
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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 709704)
Do you have a pocket eye chart?.
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:tM4HUTqCYfbp6M:

Print. Laminate. Keep it in your warmup jacket pocket with your needle.


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