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Rich Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:52am
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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 709326)
Don't forget "White you don't talk to blue and blue you don't talk to white."

Keeping to the topic...what about a situation where you have a timeout request from a coach and you recognize that it is coming from his due to his distinctive voice. I had this last year on a scrum for a loose ball right in front of the home team bench. Just as his player gained possession of the ball, the coach bellows for a timeout. I immediately recognized who it was coming from due to his voice and the situation and granted the timeout without looking back to confirm it was him. Should I still visually verify in this type of situation?
I wouldn't. I have a few coaches I could hear over jet engine activity in the area and when they request a timeout I know it's them and grant the request immediately.

Others mileage may vary, though.

26 Year Gap Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:53am
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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 709324)
While I'm at it, I can ask them to help out with loose balls, point out all of the floor markings, and remind them not to hand check.
I make the time up by just saying "1", "2", "3", or "1&1" on FTs.

CDurham Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:53am
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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 709326)
Don't forget "White you don't talk to blue and blue you don't talk to white."

Keeping to the topic...what about a situation where you have a timeout request from a coach and you recognize that it is coming from his due to his distinctive voice. I had this last year on a scrum for a loose ball right in front of the home team bench. Just as his player gained possession of the ball, the coach bellows for a timeout. I immediately recognized who it was coming from due to his voice and the situation and granted the timeout without looking back to confirm it was him. Should I still visually verify in this type of situation?
What if his twin brother is up in the 10th row yelling "Timeout, Timeout"??

Welpe Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:57am
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Originally Posted by CDurham (Post 709329)
What if his twin brother is up in the 10th row yelling "Timeout, Timeout"??
Well in this case, his twin brother would have been yelling in my ear because the coach was no more than two or three feet behind me. ;)

BillyMac Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:59am
Misty Water-Colored Memories, Of The Way We Were
 
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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 709319)
Live ball time out requests by player only, would be a vast improvement and would lessen the confrontational opportunities during a typical game.
The way it was before the Gap ???

BillyMac Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:01am
When In Rome ...
 
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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 709326)
I immediately recognized who it was coming from due to his voice and the situation and granted the timeout without looking back to confirm it was him. Should I still visually verify in this type of situation?
We've been told, "No". But please check your local listings.

dsqrddgd909 Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:03am
Threadjack alert
 
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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 709324)
While I'm at it, I can ask them to help out with loose balls, point out all of the floor markings, and remind them not to hand check.
2nd year. Mostly F/JV a few Varsity this year.

I think a good pre-game conference with players and coaches would be helpful. Is there such a thing?

26 Year Gap Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:04am
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 709332)
The way it was before the Gap ???
Actually, we had the point of transition to worry about back then, too. And the 5 seconds to inbound did not end on the release.

Rich Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:20am
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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 709335)
Actually, we had the point of transition to worry about back then, too. And the 5 seconds to inbound did not end on the release.
The lack of action rule. Ahh, memories.

My first season was the first year of the 3-point shot in PA. All the old, crusty vets of the day had such a hard time looking at the feet to see if the shot was a 2 or a 3. That was easy for me - I just screwed everything else up. :D

Jurassic Referee Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:36pm
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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 709315)
Last night we had a nutcutter, my first one this season. This exact thing happened in OT. Player trapped in the corner, I'm in front of the bench, 2-person trail. I hear a timeout request, player clearly has possession, I look to the bench to see the coach trying to get my attention, verifying he was, indeed requesting a timeout. By this time air went into whistle, the ball was knocked loose. I couldn't possibly care -- <font color = red>it's a legally requested (and granted) time out, as far as I'm concerned.</font>

Yes, I took grief. Yes, I told the other coach that the player had the ball when the coach requested the timeout. Yes, the other coach disagreed and was annoyed. No, I don't care. Like I told the other coach, I'd do the same thing if he was the one requesting the timeout. Until they change the rule, I'm going to continue granting the timeout in this situation because that's what I'm supposed to do.
You took grief ONLY because it's a bad rule. You did absolutely everything perfectly that the NFHS rulesmakers had instructed you...and all of us..... to do. It's a legally requested and granted time-out as far as the rules are concerned.

We may not like 'em but we still have to call 'em...well, except for that little corner of Connecticut of course.

just another ref Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:44pm
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 709364)
You took grief ONLY because it's a bad rule. You did absolutely everything perfectly that the NFHS rulesmakers had instructed you...and all of us..... to do. It's a legally requested and granted time-out as far as the rules are concerned.
When the timeout is actually granted is a gray area, which some of us would like to see specifically defined in the rules.

Adam Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:53pm
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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 709366)
When the timeout is actually granted is a gray area, which some of us would like to see specifically defined in the rules.
No more gray than the case play that tells us to call a double foul on a blarge. :D

bob jenkins Wed Dec 22, 2010 01:03pm
True Confession:

First half. A gets trapped in FC (away from the bench). B puts hands on ball and I call "held ball" just as I hear Coach A yelling for a TO (she had kind of a soft voice). B has the arrow, so as I run past Coach A, she asks, "Didn't you hear me ask for the TO?"

I replied, "Not until after the held ball. I'm not saying you didn't ask earlier, only that I didnt' hear it earlier."

She seems satisfied.

Second half, loose ball on the floor in A's BC (again, away from the bench). A dives on the ball and as B approaches I *clearly* hear a female voice from the general direction of A's bench, "Time Out." I look to the bench and Coach A is looking directly at me. So, I blow the whistle and grant the TO.

Coach A says, "We didn't request a TO."

effme.

So, we had an inadvertant whistle and A keeps the ball.

Judtech Wed Dec 22, 2010 01:05pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 709368)
No more gray than the case play that tells us to call a double foul on a blarge. :D
Hey speak for the NFHS and NCAA - M only please. We on the NCAA - W side have that one already figured out!:p

just another ref Wed Dec 22, 2010 01:08pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 709368)
No more gray than the case play that tells us to call a double foul on a blarge. :D
That one is actually not gray. It is in direct conflict with definitions in the rule book. Pretty easy to figure out, I thought.


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