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justacoach Mon Dec 13, 2010 07:10pm

NBE Rulez Designated Spot ??
 
I have searched diligently thru the NBA Rules PDF available online and I see several references to 'designated spot' referring to a throw-in but fail to find a clear definition as we have in NFHS rules.
Could someone knowledgeable w/ NBE rules compare and contrast the NBE 'designated spot' definitions, restrictions and corresponding signals with the ones we use in NFHS?
NBE specifics, please, as I have an adult beverage riding on the outcome.
No need to recite the applicable FED rules, save for comparison.

JugglingReferee Mon Dec 13, 2010 07:30pm

Just from watching, so take with a grain of salt: nothing on the A endlines, except to start a quarter. Instead, they go to FTLE.

Timeouts go to hash mark in FC - but I think they need to be requested in the FC.

APG Mon Dec 13, 2010 08:34pm

Are you talking about throw-in spots or just the desginated spot? Pretty much a player in the NBA is allowed a step to the left or right as long as they a part of their body over the spot.

The spot isn't really defined like it is in NFHS (3 feet wide, etc). I'm pretty sure the designated spot is the spot where the official points.

As far as signals, the official will point to the spot like we do in Fed. If there's a violation, there is no particular signal to signal it. Some will give the travel signal or just point to the spot.

APG Mon Dec 13, 2010 08:41pm

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 707279)
Just from watching, so take with a grain of salt: nothing on the A endlines, except to start a quarter. Instead, they go to FTLE.

Timeouts go to hash mark in FC - but I think they need to be requested in the FC.

Every 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarter starts on the baseline with an undesignated spot throw-in. All throw-ins, as a result of the ball going out of bounds on the basline, are administered at the spot where the ball went out of bounds on the baseline. Most fouls and violations will go to the nearest spot out of bounds but no closer to the baseline than the free throw line extended (there are a couple fouls/violations that go to the FTLE automatically).

Timeouts go to the nearest spot on the side, not necessarily at the 28 foot mark in the frontcourt. Now if a team calls a timeout and is by rule able to advance the ball to the frontcourt, then it'll go to the 28 foot mark.

APG Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:22pm

Here are two case book plays that are pertinent to your question.

NBA Case Book (2010-2011)

346. While attempting a throw-in following a violation, Player A1 takes more than one step, jump or stride from the original in-bounds spot before releasing the ball. Is this a violation?

Yes. On a throw-in, Player A1 is allowed no more than one step or stride as in normal passing movement.
RULE 10 - SECTION III - a (4)

347. On a throw-in, what determines the distance between the defensive and offensive player involved in the throw-in?

The defensive player must allow the offensive player ample room to make the throw-in when the area out-of bounds is restricted. If there is no restriction of the area out-of-bounds, the defensive player shall be allowed to come up to the edge of the line, making certain that his arms do not break the plane. The offensive player may back off to allow himself as much space as possible without leaving the surface of the court.
RULE 8 - SECTION III - a
RULE 10 - SECTION III - a (8)

justacoach Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:23am

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 707318)
Here are two case book plays that are pertinent to your question.

NBA Case Book (2010-2011)

346. While attempting a throw-in following a violation, Player A1 takes more than one step, jump or stride from the original in-bounds spot before releasing the ball. Is this a violation?

Yes. On a throw-in, Player A1 is allowed no more than one step or stride as in normal passing movement.
RULE 10 - SECTION III - a (4)

347. On a throw-in, what determines the distance between the defensive and offensive player involved in the throw-in?

The defensive player must allow the offensive player ample room to make the throw-in when the area out-of bounds is restricted. If there is no restriction of the area out-of-bounds, the defensive player shall be allowed to come up to the edge of the line, making certain that his arms do not break the plane. The offensive player may back off to allow himself as much space as possible without leaving the surface of the court.
RULE 8 - SECTION III - a
RULE 10 - SECTION III - a (8)

Thanks, APG. Never thought to look in the case book. Do you have a link.
Any idea what the official NBA signal is?

APG Tue Dec 14, 2010 01:32am

Quote:

Originally Posted by justacoach (Post 707335)
Thanks, APG. Never thought to look in the case book. Do you have a link.
Any idea what the official NBA signal is?

The official NBA signal for a throw-in violation of the designated spot? There is none. Like I was saying, you'll most like see a point at the spot plus verbalization or the traveling signal (I, for one, saw Tony Brothers do this one last year).

justacoach Tue Dec 14, 2010 01:48am

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 707340)
The official NBA signal for a throw-in violation of the designated spot? There is none. Like I was saying, you'll most like see a point at the spot plus verbalization or the traveling signal (I, for one, saw Tony Brothers do this one last year).

Thanks

CLH Tue Dec 14, 2010 07:00am

Quote:

Originally Posted by justacoach (Post 707335)
Thanks, APG. Never thought to look in the case book. Do you have a link.
Any idea what the official NBA signal is?

There is no signal, probably because it almost NEVER happens, and the casebook is part of the Media Guide, which you can find on the website.

clh

Jurassic Referee Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:03am

Quote:

Originally Posted by CLH (Post 707352)
There is no signal, probably because they never call it when it happens, and the casebook is part of the Media Guide, which you can find on the website.

clh

Fixed it for ya. :D

CLH Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:04am

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 707384)
Fixed it for ya. :D

Yeah yeah yeah...lol...I've never seen it happen in my games! ;)


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