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mcdanrd Wed Dec 08, 2010 12:31pm

Opening Tip Violation
 
Boys varsity opening tip, jumpers A1 and B1 properly postioned in center circle. As R tosses ball A1 squats and duck walks across center line, past B1 toward B1 side of circle. Jumper B1 taps ball which hits A1 in back before A1 leaves circle. I rule violation on A1, B's ball OOB near midcourt and possession arrow to A. Right???

Mark Padgett Wed Dec 08, 2010 12:33pm

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Originally Posted by mcdanrd (Post 706133)
A1 squats and duck walks across center line

Is this guy committed to the University of Oregon? ;)

bob jenkins Wed Dec 08, 2010 12:35pm

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Originally Posted by mcdanrd (Post 706133)
Boys varsity opening tip, jumpers A1 and B1 properly postioned in center circle. As R tosses ball A1 squats and duck walks across center line, past B1 toward B1 side of circle. Jumper B1 taps ball which hits A1 in back before A1 leaves circle. I rule violation on A1, B's ball OOB near midcourt and possession arrow to A. Right???

Read 6-3 and find the violation.

mcdanrd Wed Dec 08, 2010 12:54pm

What is unclear in rule 6-3 is when the restrictions for a jumper to remain in his/her half of the restraining circle end. Rule 6.3.5 clearly explains restrictions on non-jumpers. rule 6.7b states that the jumper may not leave the center restraining circle until the bal has been touched but does not say when he/she may leave his/her half of the restraining circle.

As for the duck walk, nope this kid won't be going to University of Oregon or any other university for that matter.

Adam Wed Dec 08, 2010 12:57pm

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Originally Posted by mcdanrd (Post 706144)
What is unclear in rule 6-3 is when the restrictions for a jumper to remain in his/her half of the restraining circle end. Rule 6.3.5 clearly explains restrictions on non-jumpers. rule 6.7b states that the jumper may not leave the center restraining circle until the bal has been touched but does not say when he/she may leave his/her half of the restraining circle.

As for the duck walk, nope this kid won't be going to University of Oregon or any other university for that matter.

So, I guess the question is; is it prohibited for a jumper to leave his half of the circle so long as he stays in the circle itself?

mbyron Wed Dec 08, 2010 12:58pm

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Originally Posted by mcdanrd (Post 706144)
rule 6.7b states that the jumper may not leave the center restraining circle until the bal has been touched but does not say when he/she may leave his/her half of the restraining circle.

Why do you suppose it doesn't say that?

Back In The Saddle Wed Dec 08, 2010 03:16pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 706136)
Read 6-3 and find the violation.

6-3-1 "For any jump ball, each jumper shall have both feet within that half of the center restraining circle which is farther from his/her basket." Per 6-3-8 this would appear to be a restriction that does not end until the jump ball ends.

26 Year Gap Wed Dec 08, 2010 03:46pm

THIS guy had a pretty good duck walk...
 
http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/...ryDuckwalk.jpg

HawkeyeCubP Wed Dec 08, 2010 07:18pm

6-3-8 specifically refers only to the restrictions in 6-3-7, but the 6-3-8-NOTE makes it a violation.

Back In The Saddle Wed Dec 08, 2010 08:35pm

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Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP (Post 706274)
6-3-8 specifically refers only to the restrictions in 6-3-7, but the 6-3-8-NOTE makes it a violation.

6-3-8 does make specific mention of the restrictions in 6-3-7. It also defines when the jump ball itself ends. 6-3-1 does not indicate when its restriction begins or ends, other than "For any jump ball". From that I infer that from the time the official is ready (the earliest moment associated with any jump ball restriction) until the jump ball ends, the restriction on the jumpers in 6-3-1 is in effect. Thus, it is a violation in its own right. However, a similar inference may be drawn, and drawn a little more easily, from the note under 6-3-8.

just another ref Wed Dec 08, 2010 08:51pm

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Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle (Post 706295)
6-3-8 does make specific mention of the restrictions in 6-3-7. It also defines when the jump ball itself ends. 6-3-1 does not indicate when its restriction begins or ends, other than "For any jump ball". From that I infer that from the time the official is ready (the earliest moment associated with any jump ball restriction) until the jump ball ends, the restriction on the jumpers in 6-3-1 is in effect. Thus, it is a violation in its own right. However, a similar inference may be drawn, and drawn a little more easily, from the note under 6-3-8.

So if a jumper comes down with his foot over the line before the ball touches a non-jumper, you call a violation?

26 Year Gap Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:09am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 706299)
So if a jumper comes down with his foot over the line before the ball touches a non-jumper, you call a violation?

Agitator! :D

Adam Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:40am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 706299)
So if a jumper comes down with his foot over the line before the ball touches a non-jumper, you call a violation?

I think the answer to this is to go with the intent of the rule. The intent is obviously not to punish a jumper for where he lands when he makes a legitimate attempt to tap the toss.

OTOH, based on the wording of the note on 6-3-8, it seems their intent is also not to allow one jumper to simply walk to the other side during the toss.

In a way, it seems similar to the intent of the relatively new wording on 9-1-3g (one foot near the FT lane line).


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