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fullor30 Mon Dec 06, 2010 01:26pm

Rules support?
 
I've looked(sort of) and can't find. This was told to me by a dad of a player of B team who is a new ref.
Coach A calls a thirty, official reports. Team A sits down, Team B also sits. Scorer(Cheseagle, where are you?) decides to change from 30 to full as teams are sitting. Coach A now pizzed because he called a thirty and starts on table and official(best defense is a good offense)

Do you warn team to get off their butts and if they don't give a DOG warning or more severe?

Obviously bad game management not to catch. Boys varsity 3 man.

Jurassic Referee Mon Dec 06, 2010 01:55pm

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Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 705639)
I've looked(sort of) and can't find. This was told to me by a dad of a player of B team who is a new ref.
Coach A calls a thirty, official reports. Team A sits down, Team B also sits. Scorer(Cheseagle, where are you?) decides to change from 30 to full as teams are sitting. Coach A now pizzed because he called a thirty and starts on table and official(best defense is a good offense)

Do you warn team to get off their butts and if they don't give a DOG warning or more severe?

Obviously bad game management not to catch. Boys varsity 3 man.

Gee, I just asked Nevada the same question in another thread. And I'm still waiting for the answer.

Players are prohibited from sitting during a 30-second TO as per rule 5-12-5. But there is no penalty listed in either the rule or case book that I know of. And this isn't listed in the rule book as one of the DOG warnings either.

So what to do, what to do....:confused:

I'm waiting for Nevada to tell me.....:D....if he's consistent, he'll tell us that it should be a "T", same as he thinks should be called for a violation of rule 2-7-4.

fullor30 Mon Dec 06, 2010 02:01pm

Ha! I was actually tentative asking as I thought it was pretty black and white and didn't want to get a new one ripped the size of Grand Canyon.

I'm going to go with DOG warning, just guessing.

Dead ball=dead officials in this case.

Jurassic Referee Mon Dec 06, 2010 02:06pm

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...s-archive.html

PS..<font size = -4> Don't tell Nevada...but if you click on the link, look at SITUATION #11 in the 2001-2002 Interps on p. 3 </font>

APG Mon Dec 06, 2010 02:16pm

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Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 705655)
Ha! I was actually tentative asking as I thought it was pretty black and white and didn't want to get a new one ripped the size of Grand Canyon.

I'm going to go with DOG warning, just guessing.

Dead ball=dead officials in this case.

This does not fit one of the four criteria for a delay of game warning.

bob jenkins Mon Dec 06, 2010 02:16pm

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Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 705639)
I've looked(sort of) and can't find. This was told to me by a dad of a player of B team who is a new ref.
Coach A calls a thirty, official reports. Team A sits down, Team B also sits. Scorer(Cheseagle, where are you?) decides to change from 30 to full as teams are sitting. Coach A now pizzed because he called a thirty and starts on table and official(best defense is a good offense)

Do you warn team to get off their butts and if they don't give a DOG warning or more severe?

Obviously bad game management not to catch. Boys varsity 3 man.

Keep it a 30 and get the team to stand. If they refuse, keep "pestering" them so they can't talk until the TO is over. :)

Or, you could issue an unsporting T for failing to follow the official's insructions. <--- last resort

mbyron Mon Dec 06, 2010 02:22pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 705663)
Keep it a 30 and get the team to stand. If they refuse, keep "pestering" them so they can't talk until the TO is over. :)

Or, you could issue an unsporting T for failing to follow the official's insructions. <--- last resort

So: warn, warn again, WARN!, then WHACK! (or the TO is over). :)

Jurassic Referee Mon Dec 06, 2010 02:37pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 705668)
So: warn, warn again, WARN!, then WHACK! (or the TO is over). :)

That's basically what the FED interp said....warn'n'whack. And as Bob said, the "whack" job is the last resort.

chseagle Mon Dec 06, 2010 03:04pm

Technically the scorer has to mark down that the 30 TO is used & once it is reported in the book it cannot be changed, unless told to do so otherwise by the calling official. Of course if Team A has no more 30s available, then it must be changed to a 60, if one is available.

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Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 705639)
I've looked(sort of) and can't find. This was told to me by a dad of a player of B team who is a new ref.
Coach A calls a thirty, official reports. Team A sits down, Team B also sits. Scorer(Cheseagle, where are you?) decides to change from 30 to full as teams are sitting. Coach A now pizzed because he called a thirty and starts on table and official(best defense is a good offense)

Do you warn team to get off their butts and if they don't give a DOG warning or more severe?

Obviously bad game management not to catch. Boys varsity 3 man.

I looked through both the 2009-2010 & 2010-2011 Rules books & cannot find any reference to what should be done in this situation.

If you were to get ripped one the size of the Grand Canyon, you'd be in a whole lot of pain. ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 705655)
Ha! I was actually tentative asking as I thought it was pretty black and white and didn't want to get a new one ripped the size of Grand Canyon.

I'm going to go with DOG warning, just guessing.

Dead ball=dead officials in this case.


Adam Mon Dec 06, 2010 03:08pm

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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 705689)
Technically the scorer has to mark down that the 30 TO is used & once it is reported in the book it cannot be changed, unless told to do so otherwise by the calling official.



I looked through both the 2009-2010 & 2010-2011 Rules books & cannot find any reference to what should be done in this situation.

If you were to get ripped one the size of the Grand Canyon, you'd be in a whole lot of pain. ;)

Well, it's a good thing jurassic posted a link to the interps further back. Gosh, if only he'd do it in this thread.
What? Really? Whodathunkit?

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 705658)
http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...s-archive.html

PS..<font size = -4> Don't tell Nevada...but if you click on the link, look at SITUATION #11 in the 2001-2002 Interps on p. 3 </font>

Maybe he shouldn't have whispered it.

BillyMac Mon Dec 06, 2010 06:35pm

Situation 11 ...
 
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 705658)
SITUATION #11 in the 2001-2002 Interps.

SITUATION 11: Each team and the official scorer have been notified that Team A has called a 30-second timeout. Team A decides to sit down on its bench. RULING: Incorrect procedure. The official should first inform the coach that his/her team is to remain standing during a 30-second timeout. If the coach refuses to adhere to the officials’ request, an unsporting technical shall be assessed. (5-12-5)

BillyMac Mon Dec 06, 2010 06:40pm

Is This The Correct Citation For The Penalty ???
 
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 705730)
SITUATION 11: Each team and the official scorer have been notified that Team A has called a 30-second timeout. Team A decides to sit down on its bench. RULING: Incorrect procedure. The official should first inform the coach that his/her team is to remain standing during a 30-second timeout. If the coach refuses to adhere to the officials’ request, an unsporting technical shall be assessed. (5-12-5)

10-4-1: BENCH TECHNICAL:The head coach is responsible for his/her own conduct and behavior, as well as substitutes, disqualified team members and all other bench personnel. Bench personnel, including the head coach, shall not: Commit an unsporting foul. This includes, but is not limited to, acts or conduct such as: blah, blah, blah ...


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