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kzooref Wed Dec 01, 2010 02:18pm

Live ball dead ball question
 
My partners and I are having trouble with this question on a rules quiz. In which of the following situations do you have a live ball?

a) When a whistle sounds after the ball has been released on a try (whistle is not for a player control foul)
b) When a free thrower catches a ball from the administering official
c) After a basket and the official begins administering the 5 second count
d) All of the above are live ball

For a the rule book says it is a dead ball when the official's whistle is blown except while a tap or try is in flight so a appears live. For b it does not mention it specifically in the rule book but it does mention a ball becomes dead when a FT is made or when it is apparent it will be missed when it is to be followed by a throw in or another FT. So that leads me to believe b is live. For C a ball becomes live when at disposal of thrower. So I would say all of the above.

Jurassic Referee Wed Dec 01, 2010 02:22pm

NFHS rules 6-1-2 and 6-7EXCEPTION(a) answers all questions.

Indianaref Wed Dec 01, 2010 02:27pm

Also try 6-7-5, read the Exceptions

Freddy Wed Dec 01, 2010 06:54pm

What about . . . ?
 
The question on that test that really begs analysis is the one about the player with a red jersey and green undershirt. As a taker of this particular test, any opinion of that one?

Freddy Wed Dec 01, 2010 07:00pm

Kzoo Ref:
 
Check your private mail, could you?
Thanx.

Nevadaref Wed Dec 01, 2010 07:00pm

Read the rule on disposal as well. 4-4-7

Jurassic Referee Wed Dec 01, 2010 07:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 704424)
The question on that test that really begs analysis is the one about the player with a red jersey and green undershirt. As a taker of this particular test, any opinion of that one?

My opinion is that we should follow the applicable rule.

Adam Wed Dec 01, 2010 07:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 704435)
My opinion is that we should follow the applicable rule.

And that's the only valid opinion on that particular question.

Scrapper1 Wed Dec 01, 2010 09:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 704424)
The question on that test that really begs analysis is the one about the player with a red jersey and green undershirt.

How much analysis does that really need??? :confused:

Nevadaref Wed Dec 01, 2010 09:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 704424)
The question on that test that really begs analysis is the one about the player with a red jersey and green undershirt. As a taker of this particular test, any opinion of that one?

Well, if it's a Christmas tournament...:D

Freddy Thu Dec 02, 2010 07:06am

Because...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 704454)
How much analysis does that really need??? :confused:

Sorry for the cryptic reply.
It was a question on a state test which offered no correct answer, as far as I could discern, and I was hoping he'd offer it as a response or new thread.

Jurassic Referee Thu Dec 02, 2010 08:21am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 704562)
It was a question on a state test which offered no correct answer, as far as I could discern, and I was hoping he'd offer it as a response or new thread.

How could there not be a correct answer to such a fairly basic question like that one?

Scrapper1 Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:41am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 704424)
The question on that test that really begs analysis is the one about the player with a red jersey and green undershirt. As a taker of this particular test, any opinion of that one?

Well, since nobody has given the analysis, here goes. By rule, the situation you describe cannot exist. A player is one of the 5 team members legally participating in the game. Since the question says the team member is wearing a red jersey and green undershirt, that person is not allowed to become a player. In order to participate in the game, the team member must remove the green undershirt. If s/he wishes to wear an undershirt it must be similar in color to the game jersey (i.e., red).

This is not a situation where the team member is allowed to participate at the expense of a technical foul.

AND -- s/he better leave the visual confines of the court to take off the undershirt.

Adam Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:51am

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 704645)
Well, since nobody has given the analysis, here goes. By rule, the situation you describe cannot exist. A player is one of the 5 team members legally participating in the game. Since the question says the team member is wearing a red jersey and green undershirt, that person is not allowed to become a player. In order to participate in the game, the team member must remove the green undershirt. If s/he wishes to wear an undershirt it must be similar in color to the game jersey (i.e., red).

This is not a situation where the team member is allowed to participate at the expense of a technical foul.

AND -- s/he better leave the visual confines of the court to take off the undershirt.

Hmmm. What if they are able to remove the undershirt without removing the jersey?

Scrapper1 Thu Dec 02, 2010 04:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 704649)
Hmmm. What if they are able to remove the undershirt without removing the jersey?

You know, as soon as I hit "submit", I knew somebody was going to ask that. That would legal.

Adam Thu Dec 02, 2010 04:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 704807)
You know, as soon as I hit "submit", I knew somebody was going to ask that. That would legal.

I always wanted to be somebody. Not just anybody, but somebody.

Back In The Saddle Thu Dec 02, 2010 06:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 704810)
I always wanted to be somebody. Not just anybody, but somebody.

Would this be a field promotion?

Adam Thu Dec 02, 2010 06:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle (Post 704826)
Would this be a field promotion?

It came from scrappy, so probably.

BillyMac Thu Dec 02, 2010 07:09pm

I Hadda Ask ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 704645)
S/He better leave the visual confines of the court to take off the undershirt.

Is this an NFHS rule for both boys and girls.

BillyMac Thu Dec 02, 2010 07:14pm

It's A Trick Question ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 704645)
By rule, the situation you describe cannot exist.

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APG Thu Dec 02, 2010 08:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 704857)
Is this an NFHS rule for both boys and girls.

When was the last time recently that the NFHS made a rule that applied to only one gender? That should answer your question.

BillyMac Thu Dec 02, 2010 09:08pm

For Me, That Was A Recent Change ,...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 704888)
When was the last time recently that the NFHS made a rule that applied to only one gender?

28.5 basketball?

APG Thu Dec 02, 2010 09:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 704891)
28.5 basketball?

I was speaking more towards the actually part of the rule book that officials read. ;)

BillyMac Thu Dec 02, 2010 09:28pm

He's Got Some Balls ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 704893)
I was speaking more towards the actually part of the rule book that officials read.

When the 28.5 ball first came out, we actually had a veteran official use it in a boys varsity game for the entire first half. Nobody noticed it until halftime.


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