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fullor30 Wed Dec 01, 2010 09:29am

Obtuse question
 
Certainly not in manual, I often have a problem counting team members as U1 or U2. 14,15,16 players swirling around doing various drills. I get 'em seperated and 2,3 come flying in like a swarm of bees. Silly, yes , but any thoughts on proper accounting? Make 'em line up according to height?:)

26 Year Gap Wed Dec 01, 2010 09:40am

The easiest method is also the rarest. If you are on the court before they are, you can count them as they enter the court. But, otherwise, I end up having to count two or three times. I try to get the far side first and then those moving over to that side before getting those closest to me. You aren't alone.

Adam Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:07am

I also count multiple times, in groups of 3. Identifying them in groups speeds up the count and reduces the chance of them moving too much during the count.

stiffler3492 Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:11am

I usually end up counting as many as five times. By the fifth time, I'm usually able to come up with a consistent number.

Welpe Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:26am

I was expecting a question about angles...

Like Snaqs, I count in groups. 3 or 4 at a time. It is a habit I picked up officiating football. If you are counting something like layup lines, I find it easier to start from the back of the line.

Scratch85 Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:27am

Counting in multiples of 3 or 4 works for me. I also count multiples after time-outs and subs. For me it always goes 2+3 or 3+2.

I also think it looks odd to see an official pointing at each player and checking them off in their count to 5. After all, its only 5. :)

fullor30 Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:41am

Whew, I thought it was just me. Counting in groups sounds like a winner and back of layup line going forward may also help.

mbyron Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:42am

How does that old saw go? "There are no obtuse questions, only obtuse answers."

Welpe Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:43am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 704210)
How does that old saw go? "There are no obtuse questions, only obtuse answers."


Very acute. You are right of course.

M&M Guy Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:45am

Boy, this thread has taken a 90 degree turn.

I also do the counting in groups, and even then it may take a couple of tries to get a consistent number. But only because I had someone tell me it wasn't cool to take my Polaroid out on the floor and count from the picture...

dsqrddgd909 Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:50am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 704211)
Very acute. You are right of course.

Owww... that made my teeth hurt.

Scratch85 Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:53am

Quote:

Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 704212)
Boy, this thread has taken a 90 degree turn.

Now Pythagoras could help us count! :D

Scrapper1 Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:14am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 704200)
I was expecting a question about angles...

I thought we were talking about this guy:

http://www.filmdope.com/Gallery/ActorsG/7147-17129.gif

Quote:

Nothing stops. Nothing... or you will do the hardest time there is. No more protection from the guards. I'll pull you out of that one-bunk Hilton and cast you down with the Sodomites. And the library? Gone... sealed off, brick-by-brick. We'll have us a little book barbecue in the yard. They'll see the flames for miles. We'll dance around it like wild Injuns! You understand me? Catching my drift?... Or am I being obtuse?

Welpe Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:33am

You missed a line in your quote.... :D

26 Year Gap Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:37am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scratch85 (Post 704215)
Now Pythagoras could help us count! :D

At least that is the theorem.

Scrapper1 Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:39am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 704224)
You missed a line in your quote.... :D

No, no. I saw it. LOL. I figured I'd give the TV version. :)

JRutledge Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:43am

I count in Isosceles Triangles.

Peace

justacoach Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:57am

Deviate here
 
I prefer to employ a more scientific method. Count 'em 3 times and then apply standard deviation. This is the method espoused by our resident deviate from Transylvania aka BillyMac.

Welpe Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 704227)
No, no. I saw it. LOL. I figured I'd give the TV version. :)

Good point...little eyes are browsing this forum...

M&M Guy Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:58pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 704229)
I count in Isosceles Triangles.

Peace

You're obviously right.

This time. :eek: ;) :D

Back In The Saddle Wed Dec 01, 2010 01:30pm

I actually prefer to start counting at the basket and work my way to the back of the layup lines. The biggest flurry of activity is at the basket. Once I've got that sorted, then the more static lines are easy. YMMV

26 Year Gap Wed Dec 01, 2010 01:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle (Post 704271)
I actually prefer to start counting at the basket and work my way to the back of the layup lines. The biggest flurry of activity is at the basket. Once I've got that sorted, then the more static lines are easy. YMMV

That is my method, too. Some guys button their shirts from the top and others from the bottom. As long as it evens out, both methods are effective. By counting the further [table side] line first, I can then add those moving over to that line, usually no more than two in the time it takes to count, I can then finish the count on the nearer line before anyone from the other side gets to the back of their new [opposite table] line.

If they are doing the weave, instead of two layup lines, it can get pretty deceptive.

Adam Wed Dec 01, 2010 02:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 704210)
How does that old saw go? "There are no obtuse questions, only obtuse answers."

Close, ".... only obtuse people who ask questions."

mbyron Wed Dec 01, 2010 02:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 704292)
Close, ".... only obtuse people who ask questions."

So, what are you saying?

Hey, wait a minute...what are you saying?!? :mad:

Adam Wed Dec 01, 2010 02:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 704298)
So, what are you saying?

Hey, wait a minute...what are you saying?!? :mad:

To quote my son, "nuffin."

JugglingReferee Wed Dec 01, 2010 02:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 704217)
I thought we were talking about this guy:

http://www.filmdope.com/Gallery/ActorsG/7147-17129.gif

Best. Movie. Ever.

"The funny thing is, on the outside, I was straight as an arrow. I had to come to prison to be a crook."

The ending is fabulous, too. The relationship between pressure and time. Nothing short of brilliant. 1994 was a great year for movies. This one, Gump, and Pulp Fiction were in the running. Gump took the Oscar and PF the Cannes.

So how does Shawshank not get an award? It's just not right.

Among my fav parts are is when, since I'm not into modern secular music, Andy plays the aria (?) over the loudspeaker. Music like that is worth listening to.

JugglingReferee Wed Dec 01, 2010 02:50pm

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Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 704187)
Certainly not in manual, I often have a problem counting team members as U1 or U2. 14,15,16 players swirling around doing various drills. I get 'em seperated and 2,3 come flying in like a swarm of bees. Silly, yes , but any thoughts on proper accounting? Make 'em line up according to height?:)

I yell "stop" and then count them. When I'm done, I say "carry on" and they do.

BillyMac Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:03pm

By All Means ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 704195)
I usually end up counting as many as five times. By the fifth time, I'm usually able to come up with a consistent number.

Just come up with the sum and divide by five.

26 Year Gap Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 704307)
I yell "stop" and then count them. When I'm done, I say "carry on" and they do.

Hey! Great idea!

fullor30 Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:15am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 704305)
Best. Movie. Ever.

"The funny thing is, on the outside, I was straight as an arrow. I had to come to prison to be a crook."

The ending is fabulous, too. The relationship between pressure and time. Nothing short of brilliant. 1994 was a great year for movies. This one, Gump, and Pulp Fiction were in the running. Gump took the Oscar and PF the Cannes.

So how does Shawshank not get an award? It's just not right.

Among my fav parts are is when, since I'm not into modern secular music, Andy plays the aria (?) over the loudspeaker. Music like that is worth listening to.

+1+1+1!!!!

"Get busy livin' or get get busy dyin' "

-----Red-------

Back In The Saddle Thu Dec 02, 2010 06:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 704307)
I yell "stop" and then count them. When I'm done, I say "carry on" and they do.

That's some serious court presence!


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