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JohnDorian37 Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:19pm

Iaabo
 
So I imagine most of you veterans are part of IAABO.

This is my first year of officiating. At what point in my career should I start thinking about joining? What are the benefits? Costs?

Adam Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:40pm

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Originally Posted by JohnDorian37 (Post 704113)
So I imagine most of you veterans are part of IAABO.

This is my first year of officiating. At what point in my career should I start thinking about joining? What are the benefits? Costs?

Personally, unless your state requires it, I wouldn't bother.

Mine does, so I bother.

BillyMac Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:29am

Just Asking ???
 
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Originally Posted by JohnDorian37 (Post 704113)
So I imagine most of you veterans are part of IAABO.

Why would you think that?

JohnDorian37 Wed Dec 01, 2010 01:15am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 704143)
Why would you think that?

Just assumed that was the thing to do. Watched two BV games tonight and 4 or 5 of the 6 refs had their little IAABO patches.

Jurassic Referee Wed Dec 01, 2010 07:39am

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Originally Posted by JohnDorian37 (Post 704113)
So I imagine most of you veterans are part of IAABO.

Fyi there are many more states with little or no IAABO presence and membership is strictly elective than there are states where IAABO is the governing body and membership is mandatory. What it isn't is some sort of elite officials association.

Iow your assumption above is not based on fact. Some veterans are members; some aren't. But IAABO membership isn't really relevant in any way that I can think of.

hoopguy Wed Dec 01, 2010 03:42pm

One example where the IAABO patch is used;
In my area, almost all tournaments and leagues including, AAU, off season high school, and travel leagues use as part of their advertising that 'only IAABO certified refs' will work their games. Obviously, this is not saying that the games will have the best refs in the world but it does say that at a minimum the refs have been certified to know the rules and they are not just grabbing a guy who bought a striped shirt at Sports Authority to ref the games.

I think this may also help with pay for the non high school games. If they use non IAABO refs, teams could go elsewhere to play because there are loads of tournaments to pick from during AAU season.

Jurassic Referee Wed Dec 01, 2010 04:03pm

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Originally Posted by hoopguy (Post 704338)
One example where the IAABO patch is used;
In my area, almost all tournaments and leagues including, AAU, off season high school, and travel leagues use as part of their advertising that 'only IAABO certified refs' will work their games. Obviously, this is not saying that the games will have the best refs in the world but it does say that at a minimum the refs have been certified to know the rules and they are not just grabbing a guy who bought a striped shirt at Sports Authority to ref the games.

I think this may also help with pay for the non high school games. If they use non IAABO refs, teams could go elsewhere to play because there are loads of tournaments to pick from during AAU season.

The IAABO patch is used in MASS because IAABO is recognized as the state governing rules body in that state. No more, no less. low "IAABO Certfied Refs" in MASS is exactly the same as state patched refs elsewhere. Every state has something similar, not just the few states where IAABO is recognized as the states governing authority. It's similar to say,Illinois where the state governing body decides who works what post-season games.

And iirc, the MASS high school group also still holds power over IAABO in all true governance issues also, as in dictating coverage of post-game hand shakes, wearing mouthguards, etc. Right, Scrappy?

Adam Wed Dec 01, 2010 05:08pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 704342)
The IAABO patch is used in MASS because IAABO is recognized as the state governing rules body in that state. No more, no less. low "IAABO Certfied Refs" in MASS is exactly the same as state patched refs elsewhere. Every state has something similar, not just the few states where IAABO is recognized as the states governing authority. It's similar to say,Illinois where the state governing body decides who works what post-season games.

And iirc, the MASS high school group also still holds power over IAABO in all true governance issues also, as in dictating coverage of post-game hand shakes, wearing mouthguards, etc. Right, Scrappy?

CO is the same way, in that state certification is done through IAABO, but CHSAA is still the "governing body." This is my 5th season in CO, and I've already seen them deviate from both NFHS and IAABO in the same year on mechanics (table-side stuff, mostly).

JohnDorian37 Wed Dec 01, 2010 09:37pm

I'm new to the scene--I get the sense that there is some animosity between IAABO and everyone else. Any truth to this?

BillyMac Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:22pm

Why Didn't They Give Me A Whistle ???
 
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Originally Posted by hoopguy (Post 704338)
They are not just grabbing a guy who bought a striped shirt at Sports Authority to ref the games.

I got mine at Foot Locker.

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/images/thumbn...ed1a&index=ch1

JRutledge Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:30pm

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Originally Posted by JohnDorian37 (Post 704113)
So I imagine most of you veterans are part of IAABO.

This is my first year of officiating. At what point in my career should I start thinking about joining? What are the benefits? Costs?

Nope. Absolutely no reason to be a member in my area and it means nothing to be a member other than pay more money to get stuff.

Peace

26 Year Gap Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:39pm

I have kept my membership in IAABO even though I am not in an "IAABO area". I received good training from IAABO both locally and at camps. That said, if I was just starting out today here in FL, where IAABO is not a sanctioning body, I would not join. IAABO has a uniformity in rules interps & mechanics which usually lends to ease in transfers from one area to another without having to start over. If I ever move to an IAABO area or if they become the training arm here in FL, my paid dues will save me some headaches. And if I travel back to VT in season, I can still do games there.

Jurassic Referee Thu Dec 02, 2010 07:43am

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Originally Posted by JohnDorian37 (Post 704475)
I'm new to the scene--I get the sense that there is some animosity between IAABO and everyone else. Any truth to this?

Not that I'm aware of. IAABO is a good organization and also does a good job for it's members imo. What it isn't is a rules-making body. It can interpret NFHS rules within it's jurisdiction(where it has jurisdiction) but all final rulings come from the NFHS rulesmakers.

You were just being given some info to answer your questions about possible membership. It can't hurt; it can certainly help....but in my personal opinion, if you're going to spend time trying to improve your rules knowledge, you're better off simply visiting this web site on a regular basis. This web site has a veritable plethora...plethora, I tell ya...of very rules-knowledgable people(some of whom may also be IAABO members) very willing to answer any questions that might come up. It's a better source of knowledge and info than say, Referee Magazine imo.

chseagle Thu Dec 02, 2010 07:59am

Thanks for the suggestion of where to get a striped shirt, now I know where to go LMAO.

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Originally Posted by hoopguy (Post 704338)
bought a striped shirt at Sports Authority


bob jenkins Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:05am

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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 704571)
now I know where to go

must...stifle...urge...to...comment

Adam Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:09am

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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 704571)
now I know where to go.

We've been trying to tell you where to go for a year now.

Adam Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:10am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 704634)
must...stifle...urge...to...comment

Got it bob.

GoodwillRef Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:12pm

IAABO has nothing to do with Wisconsin.

26 Year Gap Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:25pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 704634)
must...stifle...urge...to...comment

We know what you are thinking, Bob. Whack!

chseagle Thu Dec 02, 2010 01:01pm

Bon,

Only the scorer is recommended to wear a back/white striped shirt. Since I haven't done scorer in 10+ years, I would have no need for it anywho. ;):D

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 704634)
must...stifle...urge...to...comment


BayStateRef Thu Dec 02, 2010 03:00pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 704342)
The IAABO patch is used in MASS because IAABO is recognized as the state governing rules body in that state. No more, no less. low "IAABO Certfied Refs" in MASS is exactly the same as state patched refs elsewhere. Every state has something similar, not just the few states where IAABO is recognized as the states governing authority. It's similar to say,Illinois where the state governing body decides who works what post-season games.

And iirc, the MASS high school group also still holds power over IAABO in all true governance issues also, as in dictating coverage of post-game hand shakes, wearing mouthguards, etc. Right, Scrappy?

Never been called Scrappy...but JR has it only partly right.

IAABO is not the only ref association in Mass. It is the dominant one, but there are other independent associations which are recognized by the MIAA (the high school athletic assn.) and which have fully qualified officials. The high school group that holds the power is the MIAA....not IAABO. The handshake, mouthguards and other rules come from the MIAA.

There is a statewide Mass. board of officials, which on paper has power to enforce rules for all IAABO boards. But IAABO is not an assignor. And IAABO is not the MIAA. Independent assignors...some of whom are IAABO members and some who are not...decide who works high school games. I know assignors (both IAABO and non-IAABO) who use IAABO officials and non-IAABO officials. They care only that they find the best available official for the game.

For post-season assignments, the MIAA hires the assignors. Some are IAABO and some are not.

I belong to an IAABO board because it was the best choice for training, etc. when I started out. Any ref. association can be recognized by the MIAA (and I know at least one new one that has been in recent years) if it meets whatever standards the MIAA sets. IAABO is a good organization, but it does not have an exclusive hold on high school basketball in Mass. And it definitely is not the high school governing authority.

Jurassic Referee Thu Dec 02, 2010 03:15pm

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Originally Posted by BayStateRef (Post 704769)
Never been called Scrappy...but JR has it only partly right.


Now JR has it right.

Thanks.

BillyMac Thu Dec 02, 2010 06:45pm

No Blind Jokes Please ...
 
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 704568)
This web site has a veritable plethora of very rules knowledgeable people, some of whom may also be IAABO members, very willing to answer any questions that might come up.

Thanks for the compliment. How did you know I was IAABO?

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/images/thumbn...dc3e&index=ch1

Multiple Sports Thu Dec 02, 2010 07:53pm

To Be or Not to Be !!!!!!!!!
 
I have been an IAABO interpreter for the last 10 years and been to several

IAABO conventions. I feel as though I can learn more from any DI camp than what they teach us regarding rules at the convention.

Every year I watch a bunch of old guys from New England pat each other on the back and tell war stories at the hospitality room.

Quite frankly the biggest benefit I see is that IAABO keps other chapters from bidding on our boards contracts.

Curious as to how some of the IAABO members feel.

My board has a lot of guys asking why do I pay $35 every year, if I am already registered in our state



Billy Mac - do you think that you are were you are today becayse of IAABO

of because of the time and effort that you put personally put into your game ??????

Just food for thought !!!!!

BillyMac Thu Dec 02, 2010 09:04pm

One Of Our Guys Actually Has An IAABO Tattoo, Really ...
 
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Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 704879)
Billy Mac: Do you think that you are were you are today because of IAABO, or because of the time and effort that you put personally put into your game?

Both, but mostly because of IAABO. My two interpreters, over the past thirty years, both IAABO trained, have done outstanding jobs teaching me. Our board officers, and assigners, over the years, "bleed IAABO blood", and hold us to the highest standards, and a past IAABO executive director was a member of our local board many years ago. Could this happen without the umbrella organization, IAABO? Probably, but I wouldn't bet my house on it. The number one goal of IAABO is education, and that's what it takes, among other things, to be a great official.


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