Coach Asks
Last minute of 4th.
Team B is pressing. I am the Lead. Coach say to me. "Watch team B holding #22 jersey, please get a good look at it." Heres the deal. I am in the front court, A22 is in the back court, right in front of C. If they would of held A22 and there was no call, how would I handle that with that coach being right next to me? |
If it's happening right in front of your partner, you won't see it because you'll be watching other players.
Ignore the coach if that's all he says and it's during live action. |
Either a generic "I'll watch for it" or no response since he didn't ask a question. If it's the first thing he's said to me all night, he'll get the generic response. If he asks later why I didn't call it, "Coach, I had four other players I was watching."
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this is a comment i would completley ignore. coach is fishing for a call.
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Even though you don't mean it this way, it tells the coach, "Yeah, I saw the foul too, but I didn't call it." It would be better to tell the coach that you were focusing on other players closer to you. |
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And how would you know if your partner missed the hold anyway? |
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That means you're at L. How is the coach right next to you? :confused: |
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"I was watching XXXXX," replacing the XXXXX with exactly what you were watching at that particular time. Or even saying, "I was looking elsewhere" sounds marginally better than saying "it's not my area." Or even saying, "I didn't see it, but I'll keep an eye out for it." Coaches DO NOT CARE about areas or primaries or such. Last night, working GV, a girl ended up with a bloody nose while jostling with a girl off-ball. I was on-ball, which means (in the lovely 2-person system) that my partner had to (essentially) pick up 8 other players. I figured he didn't see it. The coach, on the next dead ball, gave me a sub for his daughter (why is it always the coach's daughter?) and told me about #42 giving a shot to his players. I listened, asked a clarifying question, and told him I would keep an eye on it. The coach was satisfied, we went back to work, and the girl came back in with her nose plugged up on the next dead ball. |
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Coaches don't like being ignored. If it looks like you have other things to do, fine, but ignoring him during a dead ball just doesn't seem like the right thing to do. |
"Go F*$& yourself coach"?
"Maybe if your players jersey was tucked in the defensive player couldn't hold it" "I didn't see the hold b/c I was watching your player set an illegal screen" "I cant count pass 20 b/c I run out of toes" "What? Did you see the hot mom on the third row?" All of which I would then filter into: "Ok , coach, got it, I 'll take a look at it next time":D |
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Last night we had an inbounds pass near the division line and the player caught the ball and established frontcourt status with one foot (only) down in the frontcourt. As she pivoted her other foot towards the backcourt, I wished I was somewhere else, cause I knew in that split-second I was about to call a backcourt violation and have the visiting coach tell me she's allowed to do that. That's exactly what happened and I felt it was worth a quick explanation since I was standing right next to the coach (well, at the division line tableside) when I made the call. I told him what happened and he said, "what about the three points?" and I told him that "three points" only applies on a dribble -- the whole exchange took about 5-10 seconds. After the game, I asked my partner in the locker room if I should've just called it and moved on and he said, "well, after the explanation the coach sat down and didn't say another word about it" (partner bumped up to take the throw in on the violation) so maybe I made the right choice, although I'm not a big fan of proactively explaining my calls without a question -- in this case there was a question even if it wasn't in the form of one.... I digress, but it's great to be working again. |
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I've had this happen to me too. The whole time the coach in my head is thinking, don't... don't.... too late. Whistle. |
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Glad to see I made it to my second game of the season (this afternoon, boys varsity) before having to whack a head coach. Sigh. Now I get to file a report with the state. |
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(edit: never mind. I see it was answered later). |
Yep... BillyMac should update this in the Misunderstood Rules post. His paragraph on this rule says it doesn't matter which foot comes down first... but it does. (9.9.1 SITUATION A)
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Au Contraire, Mon Amie ...
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Here's the paragraph from the list: During a throwin, or jump ball, any player; or a defensive player, in making a steal; may legally jump from his or her frontcourt, secure control of the ball with both feet off the floor, and return to the floor with one or both feet in the backcourt. The player may make a normal landing and it makes no difference whether the first foot down is in the frontcourt or the backcourt. These three situations are not backcourt violations. Here's your case play: 9.9.1 SITUATION A: A1 catches the throw-in pass with one foot on the floor in A's frontcourt and the other foot not touching the floor. The non-pivot foot then comes down in A's backcourt. RULING: Violation. Team control is established in A's frontcourt when A1 catches the throw-in pass. The violation occurs when A1 subsequently touches the backcourt with the non-pivot foot. (4-12-6; 9-9-3) The paragraph from the list refers to an "airborne catcher". The case play refers to a a player who caught the throwin pass with one foot in the frontcourt. Apples and oranges. |
Whoops! I stand corrected. Apologies.
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IAABO Refresher Exam ???
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15. Defensive player B-2 leaps from his frontcourt and intercepts a pass from A-1 and lands on one foot in the frontcourt, jumps from that foot and comes to the floor in a stride jump stop with both feet landing simultaneously in his backcourt. The officials rules this a backcourt violation. Is the official correct? Answer: No (9-9-3). Did I get an easy question wrong? I guess that a legal landing is the same as a normal landing? |
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When coaches or players are asking you to watch for something, it usually means "bail me out from myself." Often when a player thinks their being held they want to give that as the excuse for not making an attempt to get away. When a coach insists you look for something, they are saying "please help my team out because I need the call." I tend to play the same game with them and say something or ignore them. When I usually say something like, "Well I did not see it that way" and I explain why, those comments tend to stop. I do not tell them how their job, they have no business telling me how to do my job. Peace |
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