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Rich Tue Nov 23, 2010 04:35pm

Another season starts
 
Worked a scrimmage last night with one of the associations I belong to (I think the longest I was on the floor was 11 minutes, running clock) and another scrimmage (a paid one) tomorrow afternoon. Then Friday a GV and Saturday a BV in the afternoon and a GV in the evening.

Still feels like it should be football season. I'm guessing some of you have worked a few weeks by now....

SCalScoreKeeper Wed Nov 24, 2010 01:38am

I get started on Tuesday with a JVG road game, VG home game, and VB tournament away game! I'm in a gym 9 out of the next 10 days from 11/30 to 12/11. Let the madness begin my friends:D:D:D:D:D

26 Year Gap Wed Nov 24, 2010 09:10am

Break time for me until Tuesday. Then 7 in 5 days. Have worked a half dozen games already.

mj Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:57am

First one last night, 3 person BV. Only had one goofy thing happen. Other partners have a double whistle. Both think the other is going to report it and then we go to a timeout. Both forget the number of the fouler (I know it should never, never happen). They end up reporting it on 13 and asst. coach complains because that was the wrong guy. The table doesn't know either. So the R changes it to another player. Asst. coach says "that's the wrong guy too but that's fine." So I approach the asst. and kindly ask him "so who should it be on?" He wouldn't answer. My next response to him was "So you don't want to be honest?" He sheepishly looks away.

I guess my lesson is even though I was the non-calling official, I could've still got the number of the fouler.

tref Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:04am

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Originally Posted by mj (Post 703038)
I guess my lesson is even though I was the non-calling official, I could've still got the number of the fouler.

Bingo! Unless of course, you & the hot mom in the 4th row were exchanging goo-goo eyes. I can totally understand that :D

GoodwillRef Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:32am

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 702892)
Worked a scrimmage last night with one of the associations I belong to (I think the longest I was on the floor was 11 minutes, running clock) and another scrimmage (a paid one) tomorrow afternoon. Then Friday a GV and Saturday a BV in the afternoon and a GV in the evening.

Still feels like it should be football season. I'm guessing some of you have worked a few weeks by now....

Have fun Rich...had my first HS boys game last night.

Rich Wed Nov 24, 2010 01:46pm

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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 703044)
Have fun Rich...had my first HS boys game last night.

Thin schedule down here last night. Maybe 10 games in the whole area. I'll get 3 in this weekend and 4 more in next week.

zm1283 Wed Nov 24, 2010 02:32pm

There are a couple of games this week but the season gets started for real next week. I've got GV Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, and BV Friday and Saturday....all tournaments. That means no JV for me next week.:D

GoodwillRef Wed Nov 24, 2010 02:53pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 703064)
Thin schedule down here last night. Maybe 10 games in the whole area. I'll get 3 in this weekend and 4 more in next week.

Starting Friday I work 10 straight days of high school and college games.

dsqrddgd909 Wed Nov 24, 2010 03:04pm

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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 703095)
Starting Friday I work 10 straight days of high school and college games.

Wow. Any physical ailments that you anticipate with 10 straight days?

26 Year Gap Wed Nov 24, 2010 03:54pm

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Originally Posted by dsqrddgd909 (Post 703096)
Wow. Any physical ailments that you anticipate with 10 straight days?

He is probably hoping for a Black Friday sale on Advil.

fullor30 Wed Nov 24, 2010 04:11pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 702892)
Worked a scrimmage last night with one of the associations I belong to (I think the longest I was on the floor was 11 minutes, running clock) and another scrimmage (a paid one) tomorrow afternoon. Then Friday a GV and Saturday a BV in the afternoon and a GV in the evening.

Still feels like it should be football season. I'm guessing some of you have worked a few weeks by now....

Hey Rich, PM me I sent you a message awhile back, but I seem to remember you don't accept them? Or maybe just mine!

Rich Wed Nov 24, 2010 06:21pm

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Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 703104)
Hey Rich, PM me I sent you a message awhile back, but I seem to remember you don't accept them? Or maybe just mine!

No, I got it, I've just been in England for 2 weeks and it slipped my mind when I came back. I'll send you a reply in the next day or so.

BillyMac Wed Nov 24, 2010 08:11pm

Fulton's Folly ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mj (Post 703038)
I guess my lesson is even though I was the non-calling official, I could've still got the number of the fouler.

Around these parts, noncalling officials get the number of the foulee. Noncalling officials may know what the fouler looks like, and maybe remember him, if asked, but their main assignment is to pick up the number of the foulee for free throw shooting purposes. I know that others may do this differently, but as St. Ambrose used to say, "When in Rome ..."

shavano Wed Nov 24, 2010 09:42pm

10 games next week... 6JV, 4V. Gonna be nuts.

Welpe Wed Nov 24, 2010 09:53pm

It's going to be a pretty lean year for me with my schedule predominantly being comprised of jr high games. I'm traveling for two weeks starting Monday and we have a baby due in January. The odd thing is I think I worked more high school games last year than I will this year.

These jr high games are going to drive me bonkers.

Adam Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:51pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 703178)
It's going to be a pretty lean year for me with my schedule predominantly being comprised of jr high games. I'm traveling for two weeks starting Monday and we have a baby due in January. The odd thing is I think I worked more high school games last year than I will this year.

These jr high games are going to drive me bonkers.

Great chance to work on two things:
1. the odd ball plays that we talk about here; face guarding, off-lane rebounders sneaking down the 3 pt line during free throws, etc.
2. working with coaches and learning how to read them; to know when you can work with them and know when you need to take care of business.

mj Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:56am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 703151)
Around these parts, noncalling officials get the number of the foulee. Noncalling officials may know what the fouler looks like, and maybe remember him, if asked, but their main assignment is to pick up the number of the foulee for free throw shooting purposes. I know that others may do this differently, but as St. Ambrose used to say, "When in Rome ..."

Agree. You should get both. In my situation we weren't yet in the bonus.

It still grinds me the way the assistant handled the situation.

Adam Thu Nov 25, 2010 11:22am

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Originally Posted by mj (Post 703232)
It still grinds me the way the assistant handled the situation.

He was definitely walking a tight rope. His 2nd comment may well have earned him a T.

fullor30 Thu Nov 25, 2010 01:28pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 703124)
No, I got it, I've just been in England for 2 weeks and it slipped my mind when I came back. I'll send you a reply in the next day or so.

You'll go anywhere for a game..........

Rich Fri Nov 26, 2010 05:21am

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 703178)
It's going to be a pretty lean year for me with my schedule predominantly being comprised of jr high games. I'm traveling for two weeks starting Monday and we have a baby due in January. The odd thing is I think I worked more high school games last year than I will this year.

These jr high games are going to drive me bonkers.

I'm not sure what having a baby due in January has to do with it. I worked a game the Friday before my daughter was born and worked a game the Tuesday after. Trust me, being a new parent doesn't mean that you lose the ability to go out of the house for a few hours in the evening. Your wife will be glad for a few hours alone with the baby.

Welpe Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:46pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 703188)
Great chance to work on two things:
1. the odd ball plays that we talk about here; face guarding, off-lane rebounders sneaking down the 3 pt line during free throws, etc.
2. working with coaches and learning how to read them; to know when you can work with them and know when you need to take care of business.

That is good advice, thanks Snaqs.

Rich, it mostly has to do with me not wanting to be at a game when my wife needs to go to the hospital. Once the baby has arrived, I have her blessing to go work games.

grunewar Sat Nov 27, 2010 08:33am

Two games last Tues night (nice, easy evening commute in the DC area on the Tues before Turkey Day - NOT! 45 minutes to go 19 miles.....). Two games today and two more on Monday.

Maybe I can run off some of that holiday chow......

PS - on the baby thing, Snaq's you're a lucky man. While I was not officiating when my kids were younger, I personally would not have entertained the idea of leaving the house for officiating when my son's were just born. Would not have gone over big in my household at the time. :eek: Every relationship goes through many stages. She's a little more forgiving and understanding now......after 25 yrs. But, even now there are some days....... :mad: To each their own.

Rich Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:48am

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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 703484)
Two games last Tues night (nice, easy evening commute in the DC area on the Tues before Turkey Day - NOT! 45 minutes to go 19 miles.....). Two games today and two more on Monday.

Maybe I can run off some of that holiday chow......

PS - on the baby thing, Snaq's you're a lucky man. While I was not officiating when my kids were younger, I personally would not have entertained the idea of leaving the house for officiating when my son's were just born. Would not have gone over big in my household at the time. :eek: Every relationship goes through many stages. She's a little more forgiving and understanding now......after 25 yrs. But, even now there are some days....... :mad: To each their own.

When my wife and I met 16 years ago, I was working all 3 of my current sports, PLUS softball. She's always told me that I was working these games when we met and knew it was part of the bargain, so she's never going to ask me to work less. It may also have to do with the fact that I was already a 20-year official with an established schedule when my wife was pregnant -- I wasn't about to give away an entire schedule just to be available the exact second she went into labor. Hell, she worked right up until the day she went to the hospital. I was willing to dump a game to a JV official at a second's notice and did carry my phone to the table the last month of her pregnancy (and told the ADs why I was doing this so they could be prepared, just in case).

Matter of fact when the doc suggested she go to the hospital, she was told it would probably take 12-18 hours at a minimum before birth -- they just wanted to monitor her BP closely -- she INSISTED I go work my BV game that night just to get my worrying self out of the picture. I did. Then she told me the hospital food was garbage and that I should go have a meal with my partner cause the baby wasn't even close to coming. I did.

And I recognize that I'm lucky in this way. My wife is a very independent person and she knows (and has told me) that my officiating is a very important part of who I am. We've already discussed what will happen when my daughter plays sports -- will I take time off to watch her, etc. I probably will make sure I see at least a third to a half of her games, but I think there's a lesson in letting your kids know that while their stuff is very important, that our lives as people don't stop just because they are playing sports. I've seen officials take off entire seasons to follow their kids around to all their games and it's a personal decision -- one I don't think I will make, although I still have another decade to change my mind.

Adam Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:48am

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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 703484)
Two games last Tues night (nice, easy evening commute in the DC area on the Tues before Turkey Day - NOT! 45 minutes to go 19 miles.....). Two games today and two more on Monday.

Maybe I can run off some of that holiday chow......

PS - on the baby thing, Snaq's you're a lucky man. While I was not officiating when my kids were younger, I personally would not have entertained the idea of leaving the house for officiating when my son's were just born. Would not have gone over big in my household at the time. :eek: Every relationship goes through many stages. She's a little more forgiving and understanding now......after 25 yrs. But, even now there are some days....... :mad: To each their own.

Not me, that was Welpe. I can assure you my wife wouldn't have been so forgiving. As for me, my kids were born in April and August, so by the time the season rolled around she was ok with me working. Although we moved mid-season after the August birth, so I didn't work much. In hind sight; perhaps that was best. :D

As it is, I have to take Feb 19th off every season due to a birthday within my marriage.

Rich Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:52am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 703496)
Not me, that was Welpe. I can assure you my wife wouldn't have been so forgiving. As for me, my kids were born in April and August, so by the time the season rolled around she was ok with me working. Although we moved mid-season after the August birth, so I didn't work much. In hind sight; perhaps that was best. :D

As it is, I have to take Feb 19th off every season due to a birthday within my marriage.

I've worked my birthday, my wife's birthday, my kid's birthday, my anniversary, you name it. My wife just rolls her eyes and smiles we go out on Saturday or Sunday in lieu. My kid's birthday was Saturday this year (I worked a 7:30 game) and is Sunday next year, so I had/have plenty of time to celebrate with her.

When I hear of marriages crumbling from officiating, I never really understand that. And neither does she. Maybe I'm just lucky. And now being in my 40s and having had my one and only child and nearing 15 years of marriage, I'm probably not going to have to worry about this in the future.

Of course, I don't understand officials that say they hand their game checks over to their wives, either. :D

Adam Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:01am

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 703497)
I've worked my birthday, my wife's birthday, my kid's birthday, my anniversary, you name it. My wife just rolls her eyes and smiles we go out on Saturday or Sunday in lieu. My kid's birthday was Saturday this year (I worked a 7:30 game) and is Sunday next year, so I had/have plenty of time to celebrate with her.

When I hear of marriages crumbling from officiating, I never really understand that. And neither does she. Maybe I'm just lucky. And now being in my 40s and having had my one and only child and nearing 15 years of marriage, I'm probably not going to have to worry about this in the future.

Of course, I don't understand officials that say they hand their game checks over to their wives, either. :D

Yeah, I could do the Saturday-Sunday thing, but I miss enough birthdays due to military travel, she appreciates the effort. Blocking one day in the course of a season isn't a big deal to me.

As for the marriages that crumble due to officiating; they have other issues too. Officiating alone isn't going to bring a marriage down.

Rich Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:33am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 703498)
Yeah, I could do the Saturday-Sunday thing, but I miss enough birthdays due to military travel, she appreciates the effort. Blocking one day in the course of a season isn't a big deal to me.

As for the marriages that crumble due to officiating; they have other issues too. Officiating alone isn't going to bring a marriage down.

The scheduling on a birthday thing is mainly due to me forgetting when the games come rolling in. With our insane practice of scheduling 2 years in advance and with commissioners sending out contracts with 5-10 games on them, I ended up taking games when I wish I hadn't.

This coming season, though, I'm off on my kid's birthday and Valentine's Day (where we won't go out anyway because the restaurants are too crowded) and my wife's birthday (although my kid's birthday is Sunday and my wife's is Wednesday, the two days of the week no games are played around here). Off our anniversary so far, too. It's also a Wednesday in 2011. :D

I'll have to tell Michele......she just asked if they were all Wednesdays and Sundays -- nothing slips by her.

BktBallRef Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:45am

Individuals and relationships are different. What works for one won't work for another. Some wives require more time than others, some kids require more time than others. There's no one size fits all. But in the long run, if you put officiating before job and family, you're going to have serious issues.

Rich Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:02pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 703505)
Individuals and relationships are different. What works for one won't work for another. Some wives require more time than others, some kids require more time than others. There's no one size fits all. But in the long run, if you put officiating before job and family, you're going to have serious issues.

Agreed. And for each person, it's different. For example, I travel for my job (in excess of 100K air miles a year many years), and while I am with my company long enough to be able to schedule my travel around my game schedule and family life, some trips are just not negotiable. My assignors know this and as long as I get a qualified sub, they're happy.

I only work varsity baseball and basketball and have given up most of the summer rec baseball I used to work. I work nothing out of season (with the exception of two camps, I worked no hoops from March until the first scrimmage I did on Monday). People think I'm just a game snob, but it's actually my attempt to keep the proper balance. I'll only work 50 games between now and March.

grunewar Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:07pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 703496)
Not me, that was Welpe.

Actually, I was commenting on Rich.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 703505)
Individuals and relationships are different. What works for one won't work for another. Some wives require more time than others, some kids require more time than others. There's no one size fits all.

Agreed.

My wife is very understanding too. I just started a new job that requires allot of hrs. She made it very clear, that no matter how many hrs I work I need to save time to ref my games. The work will always be there.....bless her!

As for the baby birthing thing......many yrs ago, my wife was in labor for about 36 hrs with our first. The Dr. said, Mrs. G, we can keep at this for a few more hrs or we can do a c-section. She then sounded like Rocky, "Cut me Mick. Cut me." It was over less than 30 minutes later! ;)

Adam Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:56pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 703501)
The scheduling on a birthday thing is mainly due to me forgetting when the games come rolling in. With our insane practice of scheduling 2 years in advance and with commissioners sending out contracts with 5-10 games on them, I ended up taking games when I wish I hadn't.

Let's just say there have been a couple times where I didn't get that night blocked in time; and we did the "in lieu of" night. She was ok with it.

mj Sat Nov 27, 2010 01:20pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 703495)
And I recognize that I'm lucky in this way. My wife is a very independent person and she knows (and has told me) that my officiating is a very important part of who I am. We've already discussed what will happen when my daughter plays sports -- will I take time off to watch her, etc. I probably will make sure I see at least a third to a half of her games, but I think there's a lesson in letting your kids know that while their stuff is very important, that our lives as people don't stop just because they are playing sports. I've seen officials take off entire seasons to follow their kids around to all their games and it's a personal decision -- one I don't think I will make, although I still have another decade to change my mind.

Our wives are cut from the same mold. My son is playing JV's this season and I do block out about half of his dates. Not once has she said boo that I'm refereeing and not watching.

Raymond Sat Nov 27, 2010 01:42pm

I just got remarried in August. I got into officiating back in 2001 when I separated from my first wife because I needed some pocket change. My boys were 9 and 3 at the time. I had to block out dates back then to accomadate my custody schedule. When my oldest son got old enough to watch his brother I took more and more games on nights the boys were with me. My current wife tells me that my both my kids have told her they wished I hadn't been away from the house so much to officiate when they were younger. I now block out my HS association on weekdays that I have my youngest son with me (oldest is 18 and moved back into his mother's house). Having a modest college schedule more than makes up for lost HS income but my college schedule is still modest enough that it really doesn't interfere with my time with my son.

BillyMac Sat Nov 27, 2010 05:58pm

Nine Months, How Hard Can The Math Be ???
 
Couldn't all you guys just do a better job of scheduling your lovemaking? Isn't there a special application on the Arbiter for this? There should be.

grunewar Sat Nov 27, 2010 09:34pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 703565)
Couldn't all you guys just do a better job of scheduling your lovemaking? Isn't there a special application on the Arbiter for this? There should be.

Mr. Mack, Billy if you will, I have been married 25+ yrs, and there's only one in my house that makes that schedule, and it AIN'T me OR the Arbiter! ;)

CaRef5 Mon Nov 29, 2010 06:12am

man you guys with your understanding wives are awesome....now if i could only get my girlfriend to understand my schedule!


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