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centkyref Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:47am
NCAA Question
 
I've been watching quite a bit of college ball this season already, and have noticed the arc painted in the lane similar to what the pros have. I don't work college ball and don't keep up with their rules changes all that closely. Is this an extension of the rule last year of the "no charge" area they had last year, or something brand new? Just wondering.

rockchalk jhawk Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:49am
I believe this is an experimental rule for 2010-2011, and I pray every day that it becomes a permanent rule.

Welpe Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:25pm
I think you are seeing the NBA area. Some of the games, such as the 2K Sports tournaments, are being played on NBA floors.

Raymond Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:47pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 702508)
I think you are seeing the NBA area. Some of the games, such as the 2K Sports tournaments, are being played on NBA floors.
Experimental for some early season games. NCAA even has a bulletin posted b/c of a certain mechanic that's allowed when the arc is used.

Scrapper1 Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:56pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 702508)
I think you are seeing the NBA area. Some of the games, such as the 2K Sports tournaments, are being played on NBA floors.
Not to be a know-it-all, but I think you're wrong on this one, Welpe. The 2-foot arc (as opposed to the 4-foot NBA arc) is being painted (or taped, or whatever) on the floor in several pre-season tournaments as an experimental rule. I've personally seen it in a couple games on TV already.

Scrapper1 Mon Nov 22, 2010 01:01pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 702514)
Experimental for some early season games. NCAA even has a bulletin posted b/c of a certain mechanic that's allowed when the arc is used.
If you're referring to the "pointing to the ground" mechanic, that is used in all NCAA games, not just where the arc is actually painted on the ground. It's in the NCAA Commissioners' Manual.

AHSAA_Ref Mon Nov 22, 2010 01:09pm
Tennessee has the arc, and I don't think they're hosting a tourney or playing on an NBA court.

It's a new, experimental rule in the NCAA.

Welpe Mon Nov 22, 2010 01:16pm
No worries Scrapper, I was simply wrong.

Thanks for the correction folks, I looked but had not seen anything on it. Didn't look hard enough I guess.

The games I saw were at MSG, so I made an assumption there. My apologies and thank you for being gentle. :o

Raymond Mon Nov 22, 2010 03:53pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 702521)
If you're referring to the "pointing to the ground" mechanic, that is used in all NCAA games, not just where the arc is actually painted on the ground. It's in the NCAA Commissioners' Manual.
No, b/c that's in the CCA manual and on the test. There wouldn't be a need for a special bulletin to point that out.

There is a bulletin out specifically for experimental games in which the 'C' is allowed to come in and give information to the Lead as to whether or not the secondary defender was inside the arc.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Art Hyland
2. OFFICIATING MECHANICS.
The mechanic listed below shall be used during games employing the 2-foot restricted area arc:
Should the Lead official signal a player control foul while a secondary defender is clearly standing on or inside the restricted area, it is permissible for the Center official only, if he has definite knowledge of the location of the secondary defender at the time of the contact, to approach the Lead official and share that information in an attempt to make the correct call.
REMINDER: THIS MECHANIC ONLY APPLIES TO RESTRICTED AREA PLAYS IN GAMES USING THE EXPERIMENTAL 2-FOOT ARC AND IS NOT TO BE USED DURING REGULAR SEASON GAMES.

Scrapper1 Mon Nov 22, 2010 04:26pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 702602)
There is a bulletin out specifically for experimental games in which the 'C' is allowed to come in and give information to the Lead as to whether or not the secondary defender was inside the arc.
Got it. Interestingly (or not), I was on the Arbiter site today and tried to load the bulletin, but for some reason the PDF wouldn't load into my Chrome browser.

Raymond Mon Nov 22, 2010 04:52pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 702610)
Got it. Interestingly (or not), I was on the Arbiter site today and tried to load the bulletin, but for some reason the PDF wouldn't load into my Chrome browser.
And oh yeah, I forgot to put smileys in my response, so here they are belatedly.

:p

:cool:

zm1283 Mon Nov 22, 2010 04:57pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by AHSAA_Ref (Post 702525)
Tennessee has the arc, and I don't think they're hosting a tourney or playing on an NBA court.

It's a new, experimental rule in the NCAA.
Tennessee hosted a regional in the Preseason NIT, which is one of the tournaments using the arc. It is quite a bit smaller than the NBA arc that is used on their floors.

This is not an NCAA-wide rule for the whole season, just for the tournaments.

Adam Mon Nov 22, 2010 04:58pm
Is it the rule that's experimental, or the prop (arc)?

Raymond Mon Nov 22, 2010 05:00pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 702618)
Is it the rule that's experimental, or the prop (arc)?
The visual aid on the court is the experimental part. Restricted area is in its second year as a rule.

zm1283 Mon Nov 22, 2010 05:00pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 702618)
Is it the rule that's experimental, or the prop (arc)?
Arc.

The rule has been in place since last year.

bob jenkins Mon Nov 22, 2010 05:00pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 702618)
Is it the rule that's experimental, or the prop (arc)?
the arc. It defines "directly under the basket" (or whatever the specific rule wording is)

Adam Mon Nov 22, 2010 05:01pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 702622)
the arc. It defines "directly under the basket" (or whatever the specific rule wording is)
That's what I thought.

BillyMac Mon Nov 22, 2010 08:10pm
Pleased To Meet You ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 702616)
And oh yeah, I forgot to put smileys in my response, so here they are belatedly.
Gasoline. Meet fire.

Back In The Saddle Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:04pm
Interesting that they would choose to mark the area with an arc when the rules define the area as a rectangle.

APG Thu Dec 09, 2010 08:04pm
So I'm guessing that there's no more arc for the rest of the season?

I don't know why this was experimental. If you're going to mark an area where someone can't be, it would be helpful for both players and officials to have it marked clearly. What's the rationale for not having it marked? :confused:

bob jenkins Fri Dec 10, 2010 08:18am
Many (most?) years have "experimental" rules that are used during the early-season tournaments. The rules committee is unsure how the change will affect the game, or whether the rule needs to be "tweaked."

APG Fri Dec 10, 2010 09:15am
Quote:
Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 706605)
Many (most?) years have "experimental" rules that are used during the early-season tournaments. The rules committee is unsure how the change will affect the game, or whether the rule needs to be "tweaked."
I guess my point is why does the committee need this tested out? If you have an area where something can't happen, then mark it off. I don't see the negatives, and it can only help with the consistency of this call.

But what do I know? I'm just a lowly high school official lol :D

Scrapper1 Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:54am
Quote:
Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 702622)
the arc. It defines "directly under the basket" (or whatever the specific rule wording is)
The interesting thing is that arc doesn't actually outline what the rules define as "directly under the basket". In the rules, the "restricted area" is an 18"x24" rectangle. It's not an arc at all. So if they decide to go ahead and mark the floor (which I hope they do), they either have to change the marking or change the rulebook. My guess is they'll do the latter.

And this exact point was made by BITS 4 days ago. Sigh. Guess I should read the whole thread before responding.


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