Locked handson free throw?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It's like faceguarding, you really only see the good examples in 7th grade girls basketball.

You see everything in 7th grade girls basketball.

I had a boys "junior varsity" (fifth and sixth grade) Catholic middle school game this morning. Handed the ball to A1 for a sideline throwin. A2 told A1, "I got it", and proceeded to step out of bounds, take the ball from A1, and prepare for the throwin. Somehow, from the deep, dark recesses of my mind, acting on instinct, I figured out that this was illegal and blew my whistle for the violation, after which I proceeded to tell the two boys to never do that again when an official hands you the ball for a spot throwin. First time I called that violation in thirty years. Work enough games at this level and you'll go through every rule in the whole book.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

You see everything in 7th grade girls basketball.

I had a boys "junior varsity" (fifth and sixth grade) Catholic middle school game this morning. Handed the ball to A1 for a sideline throwin. A2 told A1, "I got it", and proceeded to step out of bounds, take the ball from A1, and prepare for the throwin. Somehow, from the deep, dark recesses of my mind, acting on instinct, I figured out that this was illegal and blew my whistle for the violation, after which I proceeded to tell the two boys to never do that again when an official hands you the ball for a spot throwin. First time I called that violation in thirty years. Work enough games at this level and you'll go through every rule in the whole book.

For the newbies:
When does the violation occur in BillyMac's situation?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

For the newbies:
When does the violation occur in BillyMac's situation?

For the oldies, it occurs right after you warn them and they do it again.

JMO.

Fifth & Sixth Grade?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Fifth & Sixth Grade?

"Rulz is rulz."

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

For the oldies, it occurs right after you warn them and they do it again.

JMO.

Fifth & Sixth Grade?

But it was a competitive 5th and 6th grade.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

But it was a competitive 5th and 6th grade.

Big

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

But it was a competitive 5th and 6th grade.

In this Catholic school league:
Varsity Division: Mostly seventh and eighth graders.
Junior Varsity A Division: Mostly fifth and sixth graders.
Junior Varsity B Division: Mostly third and fourth graders.
Junior Varsity C Division: Mostly first and second graders.

Some schools have more than one team in each division i.e. Varsity A Team and Varsity B Team. My Junior Varsity Division A game was a "competitive 5th and 6th grade" game. These kids have been coached and have been playing together for four years by the time they get into this division. Full court presses and fast breaks are allowed in this division. In this division the regular season ends with a Deanery tournament, followed by a state tournament, followed by a New England tournament.

[Adam]

Billy, I'm sorry, but calling them "varsity" when they're in elementary and middle school just seems silly. I'm sure others do it, but they all come off as silly

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm sorry, but calling them "varsity" when they're in elementary and middle school just seems silly.

Point taken. However, they're the oldest kids in the school, playing on the most select and competitive basketball team that the school has to offer.

According to my Funk & Wagnalls: Varsity: any first string team, especially in sports, that represents a school, college, university, or the like.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Billy, I'm sorry, but calling them "varsity" when they're in elementary and middle school just seems silly. I'm sure others do it, but they all come off as silly

My schedule recently showed a G and B Varsity double header at on of the local religious schools (i.e. - 9th grade). I don't mind doing them as the school is not a long drive, has good facilities, the people are nice and ball isn't too bad. But, varsity?

About an hr after I accepted in Arbiter, I received an email that I was switched to a "real varsity" game down the road.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

You see everything in 7th grade girls basketball.

I had a boys "junior varsity" (fifth and sixth grade) Catholic middle school game this morning. Handed the ball to A1 for a sideline throwin. A2 told A1, "I got it", and proceeded to step out of bounds, take the ball from A1, and prepare for the throwin. Somehow, from the deep, dark recesses of my mind, acting on instinct, I figured out that this was illegal and blew my whistle for the violation, after which I proceeded to tell the two boys to never do that again when an official hands you the ball for a spot throwin. First time I called that violation in thirty years. Work enough games at this level and you'll go through every rule in the whole book.

Wow. I have never seen above the rim play at that level. What are they serving for hot lunch in CT?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Somehow, from the deep, dark recesses of my mind, acting on instinct, I figured out that this was illegal and blew my whistle for the violation, after which I proceeded to tell the two boys to never do that again when an official hands you the ball for a spot throwin.

No, this teachable moment that was missed imo.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

No, this teachable moment that was missed.

Point taken. But what will be remembered best by a kid: A whistle and a violation, followed by short explanation, or just the short explanation alone? I chose the former this time, next time, I might chose the later.

[tjones1]

Sorry to bring this thread back alive; however, I can't find the NCAA-M reference to this situation.