Backcourt violation?
 

Team A is bringing up the ball in their backcourt. A1 makes a pass to A2. A2 jumps from the frontcourt, catches the ball in the air, and lands in the backcourt. Is this a backcourt violation?

Yes.

Team control.
Front court status when caught.
Last to touch before going into backcourt.
First to touch after going into backcourt.

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Why wouldn't it be?

I'm sure some would mistakenly argue that (a) the "three-points" exception applies and / or (b) the "player in the air" exception applies.

You are where you were until you get where your going...

Fixed it for you (more consistent anapest). ;)

Using the situation above, if a2 taps the ball and it bounces then you would use the 3 points logic. Is that correct?

No. The 3-points applies DURING a dribble, not to start a dribble. The tap gives the ball FC status.

The violation does not happen on the touch, it happens when the ball then touches the backcourt. If the ball was tapped then it was during a dribble.

I don't have a rule book handy, but isn't dribbling pushing or tapping the ball to the floor.

Sam, the backcourt violation NEVER occurs when the ball touches the backcourt; this is because the violation is not for causing the ball to go into the backcourt.

The violation is for being the first to touch the ball after it has been in the backcourt. If nobody from the team ever touches the ball after it has been in the backcourt, then there is no violation.

No backcourt violation but you could still have a 10-second violation.

You know that; others might not.

Yes that is true but I have never seen anyone start the count when the ball goes into the backcourt. Most start it when a player gains control.

Then you have seen it handled incorrectly. The count starts when there is team control and the ball is in the backcourt.

Rule 9-8: "A player shall not be, nor may his/her team be, in continuous control of a ball
which is in his/her backcourt for 10 seconds."

Then most don't know the rule.

Of course you are correct Scrapper1. I got caught up in my own details. My real question is whether or not you use the 3 points logic. After giving it another trip through the SamIAm logic machine, I agree with and understand Camron Rust's post concerning the ball attaining FC status.

That ignominious majority included a state rules interpreter who has since been persuaded otherwise.;):eek:

Well, on the bright side, even though they're completely wrong nobody is ever gonna tell 'em that they'll never advance beyond being a "rule book ref". :D

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...rit-rules.html

I remember your crusade. Glad you were able to talk some sense into him. That benefits everybody in your state imho.

JR, could you shoot me an email to hots (at) usa dotcom?

What if the ball never crosses mid court?
 

THe ball is in the back court, and then passed to a player A2 who is in the air jumping from front to back court. But he cathes the ball in the backcourt so that the ball never crosses half court.
Would 2 feet and the ball apply in this case?

The three points principle only applies to a dribbler so no go.

If in your play you meant a player jumped from his frontcourt, landed in the backcourt, then caught the ball, then that's nothing.

Don't overcomplicate this call. The position of the ball is determined, ruleswise. by where it last touched a player or the floor. Regardless of the ball's location during flight, in this case the ball retains backcourt status. Since the player jumped from FC, he has FC status. When he caught the ball he imparted FC status and team control to the ball and became the last to touch the ball when it had FC status. When he landed in BC, the ball attained BC status and he was first to touch.
Net result:BACKCOURT violation. The rules are not concerned with the physical location of a ball in flight.

This little ditty applies to the ball and players as well:
"You are where you were til you get where you're going", sung to the tune of Inna-gadda-da-vida
HTH

justacoach lays it out pretty well, but this seems to be a common error. The only time the location of the ball with regard to any plane matters is on a throw in.

Just to clarify, the three points deal only applies to the dribbler who is going from BC to FC.

Check your PM, Justa.

Suggest you delete your e-mail addy in previous post also. It's never a good idea imo to publically display it.

He's Got A Lot Of Extra Cash Lying Around ...
 

Too late. I already gave the email address to my uncle in Nigeria. He's the crown prince. He'll be contacting justacoach shortly. I stand behind him 100%. That's because I want to be able to watch his every move.

Thanks for the reply and the advice. Not to worry, I am a card-carrying computer geek and would never expose a meaningful email addy on a public forum, especially considering the denizens of this institution...

Late Night w/ Prince Mfume Ngabdo
 

Billy, expect a 3AM cell call from country code 225!!