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chseagle Wed Nov 17, 2010 05:23am

Court markings every court needs to have?
 
According to Rule 1 every court is supposed to have specific markings, yet some of those required markings are missing.

What markings that are required are not seen/used?

What can be done to make those required markings?

Are there any penalties for not having required markings?

BillyMac Wed Nov 17, 2010 07:28am

Land Of Steady Habits Only "Special" Rule ...
 
Coaching Box must be marked. If home coach and/or home management refuse to designate coaching box
with tape, the home team will not use a coaching box for that game. However, the visiting team will be
allowed a coaching box. Notify Board Secretary, or Commissioner the next day.

Adam Wed Nov 17, 2010 08:17am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 701470)
Coaching Box must be marked. If home coach and/or home management refuse to designate coaching box
with tape, the home team will not use a coaching box for that game. However, the visiting team will be
allowed a coaching box. Notify Board Secretary, or Commissioner the next day.

Connecticut-only rule. I'm clarifying, Billy, in case someone doesn't happen to read your headlines.

Adam Wed Nov 17, 2010 08:18am

Eagle, talk to your AD. How are we supposed to know the process for getting your court markings changed?

bob jenkins Wed Nov 17, 2010 08:27am

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 701462)
According to Rule 1 every court is supposed to have specific markings, yet some of those required markings are missing.

What markings that are required are not seen/used?

What can be done to make those required markings?

Are there any penalties for not having required markings?

What rules code and what markings?

In some areas, for FED the official writes the state.

(And, to be clear, it doesn't really matter for teh C-level game in the back gym).

If it's an issue to you, take it up with the AD. Or, just be sure it gets covered the next time the floor is refinished.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed Nov 17, 2010 08:45am

The Coaching Box would me marked in Day-Glo green and would also include a wireless electric fence similiar to a wireless dog fence and every time the Head Coach would step out of the Coaching Box boundary he would get shocked because he would be wearing my patent-pending device that I use to break, I mean teach, new basketball officials to not watch the ball and to officiate off the ball when it is not in their primary.

MTD, Sr.

chseagle Wed Nov 17, 2010 05:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 701484)
What rules code and what markings?

In some areas, for FED the official writes the state.

(And, to be clear, it doesn't really matter for teh C-level game in the back gym).

If it's an issue to you, take it up with the AD. Or, just be sure it gets covered the next time the floor is refinished.

Clarification: 1-13-2 (Coaching Box) & 1-17 ("X" locates scorer)

Concerning back/secondary gym: Last year there were Varsity games played there due to the main gym having another event happening. Same can be said for this year.

(I realize that different states have different regs about the coaching box)

These questions I was thinking of while watching ESPN yesterday & remembering that not all gyms here in the area have the X marking.

chseagle Wed Nov 17, 2010 05:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 701480)
Eagle, talk to your AD. How are we supposed to know the process for getting your court markings changed?

I'm not meaning these questions towards one school, am asking cause of knowing multiple schools in potential violation(s).

Adam Wed Nov 17, 2010 06:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 701637)
I'm not meaning these questions towards one school, am asking cause of knowing multiple schools in potential violation(s).

Let it go.

chseagle Wed Nov 17, 2010 06:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 701638)
Let it go.

just out of curiosity is all.

Jurassic Referee Wed Nov 17, 2010 06:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 701637)
I'm not meaning these questions towards one school, am asking cause of knowing multiple schools in potential violation(s).

Sigh....so many potential violations, so little time......

Charge up the ol' taser and go get 'em, Masked Avenger.

Mark Padgett Wed Nov 17, 2010 06:53pm

Another reason I love our local kids rec league - no coaching box. It's one of the advantages of having a bunch of refs on the Board.

BktBallRef Wed Nov 17, 2010 07:09pm

You'd make a helluva a plumber, chseagle.

chseagle Wed Nov 17, 2010 07:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 701462)
Are there any penalties for not having required markings?

I asked this as was wondering if a school could be penalized in some way for not having the markings, by a floor official, or does that vary by state.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 701643)
Sigh....so many potential violations, so little time......

LMAO

APG Wed Nov 17, 2010 07:44pm

In the grand scheme of things, having the x marked for substitutes and having the coach's box (unless your in Connecticut apparently) is not important at all.

I guess an official could call the game off because the floor wasn't properly marked? :confused: Find me an official that does that, and you'll find an official that will not be working anymore.

BillyMac Wed Nov 17, 2010 08:46pm

Some Of Our Gyms Still Have 28 Foot Hash Marks ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 701648)
I asked this as was wondering if a school could be penalized in some way for not having the markings, by a floor official, or does that vary by state.

1) Official notes, or is told by chseagle, that there are incorrect markings on the floor.
2) Official may, or may not, mention it to the site director.
3) Official may, or may not, mention it to his local board secretary, and/or, local assigner.
3) Local board secretary, and/or local assigner, may, or may not, report the situation to the state interscholastic sports governing body.

At this point, it's completely out of the hands of the officials, the local board secretary, and/or local assigner, and it's up to the state interscholastic sports governing body to do what they do.

Maybe nothing is done. Maybe gym tape is put down. Maybe the school won't be allowed to host a state tournament game. Maybe a nasty letter is placed in the school's permanent record. Maybe the school is placed on double secret probation. Maybe the correct markings are placed on the floor the next time the floor is refinished, which in the case of some schools, may be several years down the road.

Please note that in all cases, we're playing basketball that night, and every night that season, until someone from the state interscholastic sports governing body tells us otherwise. No officials are putting down tape. No technical fouls. No forfeits.

BillyMac Wed Nov 17, 2010 08:49pm

Car 54 Where Are You ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 701650)
I guess an official could call the game off because the floor wasn't properly marked? Find me an official that does that, and you'll find an official that will ...

... need a police escort home.

Adam Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 701657)
... need a police escort home.

Maybe, but only once.

zm1283 Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:40am

We are instructed here to put down tape to mark the coaching boxes if they are not already marked.

chseagle Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:54am

Last I knew the X that was put down last year was still there, however haven't been in the gym since last February.

The coach box is marked using purple tape, the X using white athletic tape.

Scrapper1 Thu Nov 18, 2010 10:19am

I think that the NCAA-W issued a directive a couple years ago, saying that if the division line did not conform to the rules, the game would start with a technical foul. Am I remembering correctly?

26 Year Gap Thu Nov 18, 2010 10:33am

Quote:

Originally Posted by billymac (Post 701656)
1) official notes, or is told by chseagle, that there are incorrect markings on the floor.
2) official may, or may not, mention it to the site director.
3) official may, or may not, mention it to his local board secretary, and/or, local assigner.
3) local board secretary, and/or local assigner, may, or may not, report the situation to the state interscholastic sports governing body.

At this point, it's completely out of the hands of the officials, the local board secretary, and/or local assigner, and it's up to the state interscholastic sports governing body to do what they do.

Maybe nothing is done. Maybe gym tape is put down. Maybe the school won't be allowed to host a state tournament game. Maybe a nasty letter is placed in the school's permanent record. Maybe the school is placed on double secret probation. Maybe the correct markings are placed on the floor the next time the floor is refinished, which in the case of some schools, may be several years down the road.

Please note that in all cases, we're playing basketball that night, and every night that season, until someone from the state interscholastic sports governing body tells us otherwise. No officials are putting down tape. No technical fouls. No forfeits.

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bob jenkins Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:54am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 701723)
I think that the NCAA-W issued a directive a couple years ago, saying that if the division line did not conform to the rules, the game would start with a technical foul. Am I remembering correctly?

Yes, as long as the home team is playing (games at a neutral site would not penalize either team).

BillyMac Thu Nov 18, 2010 07:19pm

We have an old saying in Delta House: don't get mad, get even.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 701728)
:d:d:d:d:d:d:d

C'mon? You had to like the part about double secret probation?

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Nov 19, 2010 07:11am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 701868)
C'mon? You had to like the part about double secret probation?



Billy:

And in my Family, ;) ;), we don't just get even, we get revenge, ;) ;).

MTD, Sr.


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