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tref Mon Nov 15, 2010 03:10pm

Resume play
 
B1 intenionally fouls A1 in the act of shooting a successful 3. A1 shoves B1 after the foul.
Ruling NCAA-M?

Adam Mon Nov 15, 2010 03:17pm

I would only be guessing. :D

Indianaref Mon Nov 15, 2010 03:34pm

I'd be guessing too... I think you shoot the tech first and remsume POI which is the IF.

26 Year Gap Mon Nov 15, 2010 03:36pm

I think that you might just have avoided OT. :rolleyes:

Back In The Saddle Mon Nov 15, 2010 03:39pm

Resuming play after a contact technical in NCAA-M is by a throw-in at the division line. However, in this false double foul scenario, I'm not sure if you handle the T using POI and resume play as normal for the INT.

Scrapper1 Mon Nov 15, 2010 03:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tref (Post 701108)
B1 intenionally fouls A1 in the act of shooting a successful 3. A1 shoves B1 after the foul.
Ruling NCAA-M?

Same as in NFHS.

1) Score the 3-point basket.
2) Award 2 free throws to A1 for the intentional foul with lane spaces unoccupied.
3) Award 2 free throws to any member of Team B for the dead ball contact technical foul (NCAA-M) or intentional technical (NFHS) with the lane spaces unoccupied.
4) Award a throw-in to Team B at the division line.


Differences between NCAA-M and NFHS:

1) Whoever shoots the free throws for Team B must attempt both free throws in NCAA. (In NFHS, a different player may attempt the second throw.)

2) In NCAA-M, the throw-in may be at the division line on either side of the court. In NFHS, it must be opposite the table.

tref Mon Nov 15, 2010 04:13pm

Thanks! Now say A1 threw the ball at B1 after the shooting foul... would that be considered dead ball contact or is that simply an unsporting dead ball technical?

Back In The Saddle Mon Nov 15, 2010 04:39pm

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 701128)
Thanks! Now say A1 threw the ball at B1 after the shooting foul... would that be considered dead ball contact or is that simply an unsporting dead ball technical?

I'm looking for the "contact" in this scenario. :confused:

tref Mon Nov 15, 2010 04:55pm

When the ball went oops upside his head there was plenty of contact, but I'm thinking dead ball contact has to be one phsically touching another & not an object??

Back In The Saddle Mon Nov 15, 2010 05:27pm

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 701137)
When the ball went oops upside his head there was plenty of contact, but I'm thinking dead ball contact has to be one phsically touching another & not an object??

Yes, that is my understanding. Chucking the ball at an opponent would certainly be an unsporting foul, perhaps flagrant, and if it resulted in a fight you could argue that the act constitutes fighting. But it wouldn't be a dead ball contact technical.

Welpe Mon Nov 15, 2010 05:33pm

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Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle (Post 701147)
Yes, that is my understanding. Chucking the ball at an opponent would certainly be an unsporting foul, perhaps flagrant, and if it resulted in a fight you could argue that the act constitutes fighting. But it wouldn't be a dead ball contact technical.

What if, as I had happen during a game last year, a player uses the ball as a weapon and intentionally clubs her opponent in the face with it while in her hands?

Adam Mon Nov 15, 2010 05:43pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 701151)
What if, as I had happen during a game last year, a player uses the ball as a weapon and intentionally clubs her opponent in the face with it while in her hands?

Flagrant T, but still non-contact (only relevant during live ball or with NCAA rules.)

Welpe Mon Nov 15, 2010 05:44pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 701155)
(only relevant during live ball or with NCAA rules.)

Right...I assumed it would be appropriate to discuss for either.

Adam Mon Nov 15, 2010 05:54pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 701157)
Right...I assumed it would be appropriate to discuss for either.

Didn't mean to imply it wasn't appropriate, just pointing out that while there's a difference between the two (contact and non-contact flagrant Ts), the enforcement is typically the same.


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