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Is it a violation if the ball goes over the backboard, in either direction?

Yes.

Depends on the type of backboard: Legal if it's fan-shaped; illegal if it rectangular.

Even this one?

http://www.onlinesports.com/images/tn/cp-5153xxxx.jpg

Yes. Absolutely. Always. Except, of course, for that backboard. 'Cuz it's fan shaped. And it's not a violation for the ball to pass over the top of a fan shaped backboard. But absolutely always for rectangular ones. :)

Does anybody still see the fan-shaped backboards any more outside of church/rrec league? I can't think of a game in 20 years that I've seen one.

Does anybody outside of church/rec leagues still have fan-shaped backboards? I can't think of seeing any in the past 20 years, at least.

Homeowners.

Seems like a question originating from a pickup game.

Does anyone outside of centkyref still make virtually identical consecutive posts? I can't think of seeing any in the past 20 years, at least.

Also - what's the difference between a rrec league and a rec league?

The former is to be pronounced with a slight growl.

Unless you're from Spain, in which case you're to add a trill to the r sound.

In either case, the "w" is silent.

So is the "k."

Seemingly invisible, too. ;)

In a high school tournament here a few years ago, a game-winning shot was described as being "over the backboard" in the local newspaper. I have to wonder if the writer -- and most readers -- know such a thing cannot legally exist, and if it cannot exist, maybe it didn't go over the backboard. If it did, there would have been a lot of noise about that shot. It was a rectangular backboard.

It was very close, though. It made me wonder if the entire ball, any part of the ball, or somewhere in between, has to pass over the backboard to be a violation. I never thought to ask until now.

Was it at a really old HS with a fan backboard? Not making fun, just asking straight. Or was it a rectangular one and the story was being critical of the call?

Good catch, Mark. I failed to mentioned it was rectangular, and have edited my post accordingly.

I don't think there was anything implied by the story. The writer may not have known the rule, and wrote it as an improbable shot. He may have seen it differently than the officals. Or, the officials may have not been convinced it went over at all.

This rule is interpreted differently by different people. Some say the entire ball has to pass over the backboard, others say any piece of the ball qualifies.

NCAA specifies "The ball shall be out of bounds when any part of the ball passes over the backboard from any direction." As you imply, the NFHS does not specify.

I have only seen this happen a handful of times, but my observation is that quite often it can be very difficult to tell for certain whether the ball actually passes over the backboard. It just depends on the angles involved, both the angle of the ball and the angle it is observed from by the official.

Parkway West HS is a school in the St. Louis area that still has fan shaped backboards in their Gyms. Their court is also longer than the average court and they hire only 2 officials for their non-league games. I guess the AD is Old School.

Misty Watercolor Memories Of The Way We Were ...
 

Our old local high school, now an elementary school, was the first high school in Connecticut to have glass backboards. They were actually three quarters glass (the top three quarters) and one quarter wood, where the rims were attached. They're still there. Old timers tell me that when these glass backboards were first installed visiting fans would enter the gym and just stare and take photos of the "new fangled backboards".

Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice ...
 

Once is alright. Twice and it gets a little scary. Just don't say it three times in a row. Please.

I try to choose my words carefully.
I do not believe he is the original 'Old School'.

Fan Shaped Backboards
 

There are at least two HS summer leagues in our area that schedule games outdoors on courts with fan shaped backboards. Inclement weather causes games to be moved indoors.

I don't think there are any gyms in our area used for MS/HS contests that still have fan shaped.

What does IAABO say? They issued an informational rules e-mail today mentioning that exact play but didn't say whether the violation was all-ball or part-ball. And yes, I've already asked Whats-His-Name his thoughts on it as an IABBO interpreter.:D

Imo the rule says its a violation if the ball passes over a rectangular backboard. It doesn't say a part-ball or 51% of a ball. Iow it has to be the whole ball.

In our local kids rec league, we play some 3rd, 4th and 5th grade games at elementary schools that still have old fan backboards. Since there's no "official" school teams below HS level in our school district, there's no reason to upgrade. From 6th grade thru HS, they play at two middle schools which have rectangulars. We make sure the newbie refs (who do the lower grade games) know the difference in the rule, although it almost never comes up.

Snoop A Loop, we're goin streakin..............ooops OT my bad!:p

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Back on topic, it's always been my understanding that any part of the ball is the ball. Any part that goes over the backboard makes it out of bounds.

A player, for example, is out of bounds when on or outside a boundary line. Are you saying then that the WHOLE player must be on or outside the boundary line to be out of bounds? Of course not. S/he only needs to be touching one toe or one finger or any PART of the body on the line to be out of bounds. Likewise, if any part of the ball is over the backboard, the ball is out of bounds.

[QUOTE=Scrapper1;701501Back on topic, it's always been my understanding that any part of the ball is the ball. Any part that goes over the backboard makes it out of bounds.

A player, for example, is out of bounds when on or outside a boundary line. Are you saying then that the WHOLE player must be on or outside the boundary line to be out of bounds? Of course not. S/he only needs to be touching one toe or one finger or any PART of the body on the line to be out of bounds. Likewise, if any part of the ball is over the backboard, the ball is out of bounds.[/QUOTE]The rules say that a ball is in bounds if it touches the side of a rectangular backboard. The rules also say that a ball is out-of-bounds if it passes over the top of a rectangular backboard. Sooooo...what do you call, Skippy, on a shot from the deep corner when one half of the ball passes over the plane of the side of the board and the other half of the ball passes over the plane of the top of the board? Half a violation?

Riddle me that, BatThingy!

In the 90s the much of the state of Iowa did not have rectangular backboards. Not sure about now, but used to all be fan.

What's the problem here? You've told me the ball is inbounds if it touches the side of the backboard and then provided an example where the ball is NOT touching the side of the backboard. The ball has passed over the backboard. Violation.

I think it's probably impossible for the ball to touch the side of the backboard AND go over the backboard, so your dilemma isn't really a concern for me.

Really? I grew up in a small town in Iowa in the 80's, graduating in 1992. They updated the gym after I graduated and moved away. We had rectangle backboards.

Sorry I bothered you. I'll take my dilemmas elsewhere.

Your description of passing over multiple planes simultaneously doesn't quite make sense to me. I can't picture what you're describing. Would you mind restating it? (Yeah, I know, small simple words 'cuz I'm not that bright).