Unsporting Foul Enforcement

[jritchie]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Not in my scenario, he doesn't. The sub will take place as soon as the table tells me it's his 5th foul.This is an interesting change, though. It'll be interesting to see if I see it enforced while watching the first half of the season.

I see if it's his 5th, but if it's his 3rd foul in the first half and he is upset about it and goes over and sits down, and he knows he is going out, he still has to wait until after the first free throw! I'm going to T him up!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jritchie

I see if it's his 5th, but if it's his 3rd foul in the first half and he is upset about it and goes over and sits down, and he knows he is going out, he still has to wait until after the first free throw! I'm going to T him up!

seems to me the new rule states it has to be in protest, "to demonstrate resentment, disgust or intimidation." Simply tucking his tail between his legs and heading to the bench wouldn't qualify here, IMO, unless you're instructed to enforce this without regard to whether he looks like he is showing disgust, resentment, or intimidation.

[jritchie]

so would you call the violation then for leaving the floor for unauthorized reason? and take away the first of the free throws for the violation?? just wondering??

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jritchie

so would you call the violation then for leaving the floor for unauthorized reason? and take away the first of the free throws for the violation?? just wondering??

Even if you called the violation for leaving the floor, you're not taking the free throw away from the other team.
I'd do what I've always done: try to tell the kid to stay on the floor, but not go plumbing if he sits down anyway.
If it's the 2nd quarter, and the kid gets his third foul and proceeds to tuck his tail between his legs and head for the bench I'd have a hard time considering this unsporting.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

seems to me the new rule states it has to be in protest, "to demonstrate resentment, disgust or intimidation." Simply tucking his tail between his legs and heading to the bench wouldn't qualify here, IMO, unless you're instructed to enforce this without regard to whether he looks like he is showing disgust, resentment, or intimidation.

10.3.6 SITUATION: With 4 minutes remaining in the second quarter, B1 commits
his/her third foul against airborne shooter A1; the try is unsuccessful. Team
B’s coach immediately sends B6 to the scorer’s table to replace B1 after A1’s first
free-throw. B1’s replacement may not enter the game until after A1’s first free
throw. B1, disgusted with the official’s call and realizing he/she will soon leave the
game, goes and sits on the end of Team B’s bench just after the official reports
the foul. RULING: B1 is assessed an unsporting technical foul for leaving the
court for an unauthorized reason to demonstrate disgust. A1 will attempt the two
shooting-foul free throws followed by any Team A member attempting the two
free throws for the technical foul.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Cobra

10.3.6 SITUATION: With 4 minutes remaining in the second quarter, B1 commits
his/her third foul against airborne shooter A1; the try is unsuccessful. Team
B’s coach immediately sends B6 to the scorer’s table to replace B1 after A1’s first
free-throw. B1’s replacement may not enter the game until after A1’s first free
throw. B1, disgusted with the official’s call and realizing he/she will soon leave the
game, goes and sits on the end of Team B’s bench just after the official reports
the foul. RULING: B1 is assessed an unsporting technical foul for leaving the
court for an unauthorized reason to demonstrate disgust. A1 will attempt the two
shooting-foul free throws followed by any Team A member attempting the two
free throws for the technical foul.

I've highlighted the key portion that aligns with the wording of the rule. Based on the wording of the rule and the case play, the disgust is a requirement for proper enforcement. If your local and/or state authorities say different, so be it. I'll be checking with mine as well, but in the mean time, I would say the disgust would have to be obvious before I'd pull the Trigger.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'll be checking with mine as well, but in the mean time, I would say the disgust would have to be obvious before I'd pull the Trigger.

Just as long as you also pull the trigger on a (maybe delayed) violation by any player not showing disgust but leaving the court for an unauthorized reason, fwiw I personally don't have a problem with that.

The rule certainly does need some clarification imo also.

[Multiple Sports]

Instead of getting "T" happy, I really think we need to use some game management skills. Someone needs to make sure that he doesn't sit down.
I would even argue that a good lead official who can see everything, could see he sat down and not administer ft throws until he came back onto court.

Now if he is disgusted with your call and made a few comments and put a towel over his head...... all bets are off.

Delay of game warning - that just tells me that you read the rule book.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

1) Instead of getting "T" happy, I really think we need to use some game management skills. Someone needs to make sure that he doesn't sit down.
I would even argue that a good lead official who can see everything, could see he sat down and not administer ft throws until he came back onto court.


2) Delay of game warning - that just tells me that you read the rule book.

1) It's got nuthin' at all to do with being "T" happy imo. If you can stop the player from leaving the court or get the player back on the court in a hurray, fine. No need for a "T". But if the player goes and sit's down and stays there, you have to either call the "T" or a violation. Jmo also but I've found that officials who usually use a phrase like "T-happy" in the context of a discussion like this are the same officials that will always find a reason not to call a technical foul.

2)And that statement tells me that you don't read the rule book. There is NO delay of game warning involved with a player leaving the court for an unauthorized reason during play. Never has been either. And I can't see where it has been mentioned in this thread either.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Delay of game warning - that just tells me that you read the rule book.

Without stepping on JR's toes here, are you serious? DoG warning? That tells me that you only read the subtitles.