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Old Tue Oct 19, 2010, 03:01pm
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The school pays (say) $100 to the officials, who give $8 to the assigner.

Or, the school pays $92 to the officials and $8 to the assigner.

Or, the school pays $100 to the assigner who sends $92 to the officials.

It seems everyone ends up with the same amount of money under either scenario. So, unless one method is more efficient than the other, or there are some "legal" ramifications (the latter could lead to an employment relationship, for example), it doesn't seem to matter much.
In our case the school pays $100 to the association which in turn pays $92 to the officials and $8 to the commissioner.

But, for some reason, the commissioner receives a one-time $15-25 (not sure the amount) fee from each school before the season. Don't know what that fee is for.
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It is pretty much standard practice for just about any similar type of operation...officiating or otherwise. Not sure why he's so worked up about it.
Because it's tantamount to a kickback. That's an unethical practice.

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Old Wed Oct 20, 2010, 01:36am
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Because it's tantamount to a kickback. That's an unethical practice.
I do not know if I would go that far. But the practice might violate some other laws if there is some kind of legal action taken place. Something like that happened here because of a kind of "kick back." But if that is the policy I would not consider that a kick back if that is the standard. I just think it is silly. If you are going to pay the officials, it should not be based on what the fee you decide to give the assignor.

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From the UIL (Texas' governing body for HS Sports):A(n) (officials) chapter that requests a service/assignor fee from schools will not be a chapter in
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For the Texas officials doing sub varsity games who are upset about the assignor's fee, the recent change to the pay scale should soften some of the blow: 2 sub varsity games plus mileage = $92. One varsity game plus mileage = $67.
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Old Wed Oct 20, 2010, 08:42am
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Because it's tantamount to a kickback. That's an unethical practice.
No, it's tantamount to paying a commission. Just like entertainers and athletes pay to their agents. The commissioner is a receiving a fee for service.
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In my association, commissioner's fee is 8% of our game fees and each school pays a nominal annual scheduling fee to the commissioner.

As far as dues, $40 to register with the association (plus $10 for newcomers/transfers) and $40 to the State ($25 if already registered in another sport).
or $125. for a newbie !
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Old Wed Oct 20, 2010, 01:59pm
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That does not sound out of the question. Many associations in my area allow officials that are new to come to the group for free for the first year and observe. But after all your fees you will have to pay. A $125 can be made in one or two games (or dates) so I see that as very reasonable.

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No, it's tantamount to paying a commission. Just like entertainers and athletes pay to their agents. The commissioner is a receiving a fee for service.
I have no problem at all with an assignment fee. Those guys spend lots of time getting their games booked and should be compensated. One previous assignor took a flat fee based on number of games booked, which I thought was very generous. Another charged $2 per game. I think the associations have a booking fee that is assessed to the schools down here. Nobody should work for free. And if you [not the quoted poster] think that assignors are any different, perhaps you would like to trade places. For no fee of course.
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From the UIL (Texas' governing body for HS Sports):A(n) (officials) chapter that requests a service/assignor fee from schools will not be a chapter in
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For the Texas officials doing sub varsity games who are upset about the assignor's fee, the recent change to the pay scale should soften some of the blow: 2 sub varsity games plus mileage = $92. One varsity game plus mileage = $67.

Unless you're doing Jr High, then it is $72 or $75 for two games depending on how far out the school is.

But the assigning fee for a Jr High game was $1.50 vs $2.50 (or was it $3.00?) for a varsity game.

I don't mind paying a fee for game assignments, but officials that work only subvarsity or cannot work may games end up paying a higher rate, which is what I don't care for.

Varsity games are also underpaid in my opinion.
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varsity games are also underpaid in my opinion.
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Old Wed Oct 20, 2010, 07:27pm
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I'm pretty sure we don't pay assigning fees. I got the full amount in my checks that I was told I would get. Our assignor is also an official. Right now as I type this, all the area schools are in town for the officials draft. The schools pick two and the association assigns the third man to the crew for varsity games. The jv/hr. high games are assigned at the meetings we have.
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Old Thu Oct 21, 2010, 01:09pm
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Unless you're doing Jr High, then it is $72 or $75 for two games depending on how far out the school is.

But the assigning fee for a Jr High game was $1.50 vs $2.50 (or was it $3.00?) for a varsity game.

I don't mind paying a fee for game assignments, but officials that work only subvarsity or cannot work may games end up paying a higher rate, which is what I don't care for.

Varsity games are also underpaid in my opinion.
What are the new fees?? Was this given out at a meeting, or is the new UIL fee where now you get a flat mileage rate depending on the radius from address to contest?

Some officials call more than others, there are times when I can only do a date a week. While the fee is rather high, I just pay.

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Old Thu Oct 21, 2010, 01:11pm
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What are the new fees?? Was this given out at a meeting, or is the new UIL fee where now you get a flat mileage rate depending on the radius from address to contest?
It is the new UIL 1204 fee structure. $30 / game for Jr High, $40 / game for sub-varsity. You are correct, mileage is a flat fee based upon radius. $12 for a 20 mile radius, $15 for 30 miles and $18 for 40 miles.

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Not I as I am 99.9999% positive that I won't have any contracts.
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Old Thu Oct 21, 2010, 02:05pm
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It is the new UIL 1204 fee structure. $30 / game for Jr High, $40 / game for sub-varsity. You are correct, mileage is a flat fee based upon radius. $12 for a 20 mile radius, $15 for 30 miles and $18 for 40 miles.



Not I as I am 99.9999% positive that I won't have any contracts.
How did you come to that conclusion?? This isnt your first year it?? Your in second correct?
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Yes, it's my second year. I did not attend a 3 whistle camp this summer so I don't believe I even qualify to work varsity games this year.
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