3-5-2c discussion

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Rule 3-5 ART. 7 . . . Jewelry is prohibited. Religious and medical-alert medals are not considered jewelry. A religious medal must be taped and worn under the uniform. A medical-alert medal must be taped and may be visible.

However in the situation it does say:

"Religious & medical-alert medals are not considered jewelry & may be
worn provided: 1) religious medals are taped & worn under the uniform, necklaces/bracelets must be removed or also taped and completely under the uniform; & 2) medical-alert medals are taped to the body (portions may be visible to show medical information), necklaces/bracelets must be removed or also completely taped."

So there is a mention about jewelry, although it's vague.

The other question then is: what is, specifically, considered jewelry?

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by chseagle

The other question then is: what is, specifically, considered jewelry?

I'm not going to get into a semantics and definitions discussion here. Ill leave the jewelry to my wife!

I'll say this though ......the officials ON THE FLOOR are responsible for policing what the players are permitted to wear or not.

As for those of you at the table, as has been said before - don't worry about it.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by grunewar

I'm not going to get into a semantics and definitions discussion here. Ill leave the jewelry to my wife!

I'll say this though ......the officials ON THE FLOOR are responsible for policing what the players are permitted to wear or not.

As for those of you at the table, as has been said before - don't worry about it.

How often do floor officials notice a player on the floor with a necklace or earrings?

I am asking to see what the varying responses are.

To some any & all piercings are jewelry, to others it just depends on the location oif the piercing(s).

How the rule is stated, no jewelry allowed, does that include body piercings no matter the location, & if so how can that be enforced?

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by chseagle

How often do floor officials notice a player on the floor with a necklace or earrings?

I am asking to see what the varying responses are.

To some any & all piercings are jewelry, to others it just depends on the location of the piercing(s).

How the rule is stated, no jewelry allowed, does that include body piercings no matter the location, & if so how can that be enforced?

I do a lot of girls V games. After we enter the court I look very carefully for berets, pins, earrings, necklaces, etc. Hair devices can be especially tough to spot depending on hair/device color. But, many are shiny and I catch the glare off the lights. If I see em I call the player over and tell them to get rid of em.

At the Captain's meeting they are specifically told about jewelry. At the coaches meeting - we ask the coaches, "Are your players properly equipt and ready to play?"

If after that I notice a player on the court with jewelry on......TWEEEEET! "Coach, I need another player, this one's not ready." AND, I send them off. No taking it off as they walk to the bench, etc. They're gone until the next dead ball.

Usually, the players learn quickly and it's not a problem as the yr goes on.

We've had the discussion about body piercings here before too.

Bottom Line - If I see it I take care of it.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by grunewar

After we enter the court I look very carefully for berets....

Like this one?

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Like this one?

Illegal. Go sit down!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Illegal. Go sit down!

For medical or cosmetic reasons – In the event a participant is required by a licensed medical physician to cover his/her head with a covering or wrap, the physician's statement is required before the state association can approve a covering or wrap which is not abrasive, hard or dangerous to any other player and which is attached in such a way it is highly unlikely that it will come off during play.

Maybe she's covering her lobotomy incision? Mark Padgett, what did you use to cover your lobotomy incision?

For religious reasons – In the event there is documented evidence provided to the state association that a participant may not expose his/her uncovered head, the state association may approve a covering or wrap which is not abrasive, hard or dangerous to any other player and which is attached in such a way it is highly unlikely it will come off during play.

Maybe she belongs to the Corporal Louis LeBeau Church of the Blessed Beret?

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Like this one?

Typical French. Most people wear berets to the right!

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by grunewar

I do a lot of girls V games. After we enter the court I look very carefully for berets, pins, earrings, necklaces, etc. Hair devices can be especially tough to spot depending on hair/device color. But, many are shiny and I catch the glare off the lights. If I see em I call the player over and tell them to get rid of em.

At the Captain's meeting they are specifically told about jewelry. At the coaches meeting - we ask the coaches, "Are your players properly equipt and ready to play?"

If after that I notice a player on the court with jewelry on......TWEEEEET! "Coach, I need another player, this one's not ready." AND, I send them off. No taking it off as they walk to the bench, etc. They're gone until the next dead ball.

Usually, the players learn quickly and it's not a problem as the yr goes on.

We've had the discussion about body piercings here before too.

Bottom Line - If I see it I take care of it.

Hey, grune, got a rules citation to back up the procedure that you use?

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Hey, grune, got a rules citation to back up the procedure that you use?

After rereading that same post quoted, I was asking myself the same question.

Since jewelry (except MedAlert & Religious) is prohibited, shouldn't that be a technical against that player?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

After rereading that same post quoted, I was asking myself the same question.

From your second sentence, we are NOT asking the same question.

Originally Posted by chseagle

Since jewelry (except MedAlert & Religious) is prohibited, shouldn't that be a technical against that player?

No, it is NOT a technical foul of any kind. Please don't muddy the waters with that. I'm asking grune a legit question about his method for handling a player wearing an illegal item during the game. Please allow him to respond and answer it.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Hey, grune, got a rules citation to back up the procedure that you use?

Nope. Local policy as taught to me during evaluations.

It was said to me for example, you have a player who you discover has one of those cloth wrist bands tied on or a tight necklace that you couldn't see because of his warm-ups. Are you going to delay the game as he tries to take it off? Just tell the coach you need another player and lets keep the game going. And that's how I do it.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Nope. Local policy as taught to me during evaluations.

It was said to me for example, you have a player who you discover has one of those cloth wrist bands tied on or a tight necklace that you couldn't see because of his warm-ups. Are you going to delay the game as he tries to take it off? Just tell the coach you need another player and lets keep the game going. And that's how I do it.

Your local policy doesn't follow proper NFHS procedures. See:

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...s-archive.html

2006-07 NFHS BASKETBALL RULES INTERPRETATIONS-SITUATION 7
After playing for nearly 3 minutes, A1 is discovered in the game wearing (a) a sweatband above the elbow, or (b) a headband around the neck.
RULING: In both (a) and (b), A1 is instructed to remove the illegal item, make it legal or leave the game; he/she may not participate until compliance with the rule. (3-5-3c, 3-5-4)

It's probably quicker to get a player to remove something than having to explain the situation to the coach and get a sub in.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by chseagle

How the rule is stated, no jewelry allowed, does that include body piercings no matter the location, & if so how can that be enforced?

Yes. Enforced if / when seen. I don't / won't go looking for items hidden in the mouth or under the uniform, even if the scorekeeper insists that someone is wearing jewelry.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yes. Enforced if / when seen. I don't / won't go looking for items hidden in the mouth or under the uniform, even if the scorekeeper insists that someone is wearing jewelry.

I was just asking a generalized question pertaining to the rule as it pertains to piercings.

It's not like I'm gonna do as suggested. Considering there's a lot of piercings that can't be seen through clothing, or noticed.