Why no time out?

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by WarpedOne
BktBallRef...So now you're selectively psychic? You claim to know why TO is called but you don't know if he's aware that he has none left?

...

So...let's go way off topic and assume...dead ball, player comes up to you signaling TO with none left and without, in your mind, a good reason to call one. ALL THE FANS SEE IT. Do you still ask him while knowing that everyone int the crowd is expecting the T?

Who gives a rat's @ss WHAT ALL THE FANS WANT OR EXPECT?

Only one of the official's on the floor can grant a TO.
Maybe he sees the player, maybe he doesn't. Maybe he
looks over at the player's head coach before granting the TO in this case. This stuff is slightly more complicated than
you seem to think it is.

Anyway, you've already said you're not an official but you
sure do seem to have a huge bug up your @ss. What's your
story? Coach? Player? Frustrated fan? Just stopping by
to stir the pot a little?

[ChuckElias]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dan_ref

Who gives a rat's @ss WHAT ALL THE FANS WANT OR EXPECT?
[snip, snip]
Anyway, you've already said you're not an official but you
sure do seem to have a huge bug up your @ss.

Hmmmmm. . . Understated. . . Subtle. . . Nice bouquet. . . Yes, Dan seems to be aging quite nicely. (There's a joke in here somewhere about sticking a cork in him, but I won't make it )

Chuck

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by WarpedOne
Jurassic and dblref...not a Michigan fan at all; just the one that popped into my head.

The fanboy that I was referring to was BktBallRef.You know...the guy in the light blue underwear.Got light blue skid marks in 'em,too!

BTW,Tony,ya think NC needs a new coach?Someone that really knows how to bring them up to the next level?I hear Jerry Tarkanian is available.He'll modernize your program.

Jes' kidding!

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by dblref
Tony, I agree it would not have mattered. It would also have been a moot point if the officials called one of the two travels he had before he asked for the timeout. One of them was "at least" 2 steps. I am a Duke fan, but I was rooting for NC that night (ACC fan).

True, but I missed a travel once myself, so I forgave the official, after Donald Williams knocked down the FTs!

Originally posted by WarpedOne
BktBallRef...So now you're selectively psychic? You claim to know why TO is called but you don't know if he's aware that he has none left?

No, I'm not psychic but I'm not an idiot either. If it isn't obvious to you then I guess it's good that you don't officiate it.

If a player is falling OOB, he's obviously requesting TO to prevent the turnover. If he violates prior to requesting the TO, I have to call the violation first. If he still wants the TO after I call the violation, he can have it. I'M NOT CONCERNED WITH WHETHER HE HAS A TO LEFT OR NOT.

If runs up to me and requests timeout at the end of the game, he's obviously requesting timeout to stop the clock. I'll give it to him. I'M NOT CONCERNED WITH WHETHER HE HAS A TO LEFT OR NOT.

[BktBallRef]

How does one see light blue skid marks on light blue underwear?

BTW, they aren't light blue. There Carolina Blue!

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

This is one of the dumbest threads I've ever read on this site.

If you are going to penalize a player trying to make a great hustle play by judging him or her to have violated first and grant the TO, well, you just don't get it.

And by "it", I also mean better assignments and respect of players and coaches. If you don't believe me, go ahead and make that call the day your assigner or evaluator is in attendance.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
How does one see light blue skid marks on light blue underwear?

Reluctantly!

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by A Pennsylvania Coach
If you are going to penalize a player trying to make a great hustle play by judging him or her to have violated first and grant the TO, well, you just don't get it.

I don't think anyone here is advocating that except the knucklehead that started the thread.

[rockyroad]

Originally posted by A Pennsylvania Coach
This is one of the dumbest threads I've ever read on this site.

If you are going to penalize a player trying to make a great hustle play by judging him or her to have violated first and grant the TO, well, you just don't get it.

Very well said, Coach! It all goes back to that elusive "game management" topic...this is a perfect situation for judging how well an official can manage what is going on on the court...

[Dan_ref]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ChuckElias

Originally posted by Dan_ref

Hmmmmm. . . Understated. . . Subtle. . . Nice bouquet. . . Yes, Dan seems to be aging quite nicely. (There's a joke in here somewhere about sticking a cork in him, but I won't make it )

Chuck

Ha. Ha. Ha.

Maybe save the cork for a certain baseball team who shall remain nameless.

[ChuckElias]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dan_ref

Maybe save the cork for a certain baseball team who shall remain nameless.

You mean the Yankees are using Albert Belle's bats? Actually, that explains a LOT!

[Dan_ref]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ChuckElias

Originally posted by Dan_ref

You mean the Yankees are using Albert Belle's bats? Actually, that explains a LOT!

Used to be we could say the Red Sox won a world series every
time there was a revolution in Russia. Sadly, even that streak was broken!

Hey this is fun, been a while since we had some Sox
bashing around here. I know JR's gonna be jumping in soon, where's Mark Dexter?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

Used to be we could say the Red Sox won a world series every
time there was a revolution in Russia. Sadly, even that streak was broken! [/B][/QUOTE]Kinda amazing that you're statistically more likely to be able to see two Haley's Comets than two Bosox World Series wins,isn't it?

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Used to be we could say the Red Sox won a world series every
time there was a revolution in Russia. Sadly, even that streak was broken!

Kinda amazing that you're statistically more likely to be able to see two Haley's Comets than two Bosox World Series wins,isn't it? [/B][/QUOTE]
Ok, now I know that this is all good fun, and I certainly don't take any of it too personally, but we should at least get some facts straight. The Red Sox have won five World Series, including the very first one in 1903. They would've won again in '04, except that the NL champions refused to play against the "upstart" league. In any case, they won in 1903, '12, '15, '16, '18. Now I know all you Yankees gloaters, I mean fans, only care about "What have you done for me lately?". And obviously, the Sox haven't done much lately. But 5 championships in 100 years is a larger statistical result than the number of times Halley's Comet is visible from Earth in 100 years.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

Kinda amazing that you're statistically more likely to be able to see two Haley's Comets than two Bosox World Series wins,isn't it?

Ok, now I know that this is all good fun, and I certainly don't take any of it too personally, but we should at least get some facts straight. The Red Sox have won five World Series, including the very first one in 1903. They would've won again in '04, except that the NL champions refused to play against the "upstart" league. In any case, they won in 1903, '12, '15, '16, '18. Now I know all you Yankees gloaters, I mean fans, only care about "What have you done for me lately?". And obviously, the Sox haven't done much lately. But 5 championships in 100 years is a larger statistical result than the number of times Halley's Comet is visible from Earth in 100 years. [/B][/QUOTE]

We call this kind of bursty activity "spurious perturbation" generally safe to ignore when looking for trends of statistical significance. In other words, what have you done lately?

BTW, this is gonna get a lot worse, as long as the Yanks can manage to keep winning. Gloat, gloat.