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JPS Wed Jun 09, 2010 08:31pm

Historical Question - Who are these referees ?
 
Hi, I had a historical question and have been having trouble finding anyone who can help. I'm hoping someone here knows the answer.

I recently got a copy of the book "Basketball Officiating" by former referee John Nucatola. The book was published in 1959.

In it is a photo showing the founding members of the Collegiate Basketball Officials Association (CBOA). There is no listing of the individual members.

Below is the photo.

http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Gra...termembers.jpg

I know that Nucatola is in the front row on the far right. I was curious if anyone could identify any of the other officials in the photo ?

Note that according to the CBOA website some of the early presidents of the organization included Sam Schoenfeld, Matty Begovich, Nucatola, Lou Eisenstein, Hagan Andersen, Ben Light, J. Dallas Shirley etc. so I assume most of these guys are in the photo somewhere.

List of past CBOA officials

Thanks

Jon

Mark Padgett Wed Jun 09, 2010 09:32pm

OMG! I think I see Jimmy Hoffa! :eek:

Raymond Thu Jun 10, 2010 07:26am

Jurassic, you are awfully quiet.

Adam Thu Jun 10, 2010 07:30am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 681195)
Jurrasic, you are awfully quiet.

WitSec!

JPS Thu Jun 10, 2010 07:52am

Doing some more digging, it looks like the person in the back row, second from right is J. Dallas Shirley.

J. Dallas Shirley

Any others ?

SamIAm Thu Jun 10, 2010 08:21am

I found an accomplished college basketball player name Matty Begovich, associated with St. Johns listed as 6'5". Seems likely to be the big fella at the left side.

SamIAm Thu Jun 10, 2010 08:31am

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/ima...283155&s=books

Is there a trick to image posting? Here is the link to a Sam Schoenfeld image:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...500_AA300_.jpg

Jurassic Referee Thu Jun 10, 2010 08:49am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 681195)
Jurassic, you are awfully quiet.

I sent that picture yesterday to a retired ol'(older than me, by at least 10 years) officiating buddy now living down in Tampa Bay. He came out of the old CYO parish basketball system in 50's Brooklyn and he knew Johnny Nuccatola real well. He should recognize or know a few of them, hopefully. Waiting to hear back.

justacoach Thu Jun 10, 2010 09:12am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPS (Post 681204)
Doing some more digging, it looks like the person in the back row, second from right is J. Dallas Shirley.

J. Dallas Shirley

Any others ?

Definitely him...

MD Longhorn Thu Jun 10, 2010 09:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamIAm (Post 681217)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/ima...283155&s=books

Is there a trick to image posting? Here is the link to a Sam Schoenfeld image:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...500_AA300_.jpg

Your url got chopped off at the ?
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...500_AA300_.jpg

BktBallRef Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:15am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 681195)
Jurassic, you are awfully quiet.

Jurassic was in his 70's back in '59...I doubt he would know any of these younger guys.

rockyroad Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:55am

Is that Welmer in the back row, far left???

Jurassic Referee Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 681238)
Jurassic was in his 70's back in '59...I doubt he would know any of these younger guys.

I know where you live, TarHeel Boy!:eek:

Be afraid!

Be very afraid!!

:D

Jurassic Referee Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:58pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 681261)
Is that Welmer in the back row, far left???

Nope. That's Jon Diebler.

Jurassic Referee Thu Jun 10, 2010 01:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 681220)
I sent that picture yesterday to a retired ol'(older than me, by at least 10 years) officiating buddy now living down in Tampa Bay. He came out of the old CYO parish basketball system in 50's Brooklyn and he knew Johnny Nuccatola real well. He should recognize or know a few of them, hopefully. Waiting to hear back.

Just heard back. No luck. Brooklyn Bob left Noo Yawk in '65 and moved to where I live. He said that several sure looked familiar but he can't put a name to 'em.


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