Goatending?
 

Ok, may be a stupid question, but here goes :D

kid driving for layup, ball hits off backboard (layup style) still going up is NOT above the rim and is NOT in the imaginary cylinder, defender does his best LeBron "get-that-weak-mess-out-of-here" block of the ball after it hits the backboard (but again, with above parameters mentioned). NBA has it as goaltending. That we know..

My question is, is this goaltending in NFHS? I can't find anything in the books that says it is. The books only have to do with swatting the ball when it's on its DOWNWARD flight, or is IN the imaginary cylinder that has the ring as its lower base.

so WHY is this called goaltending in NFHS? Not trying to be a smartie, just honestly asking. And please, if you find something in the books to back up the fact that it WOULD be goaltending, please reference. Thanks :)

It isn't and it shouldn't

What do goats have to do with basketball? :p:)

i give up....what DO "goats" have to do with basketball? :D

heck, i don't know. but that thread title made me wonder. :cool:

Especially a "goat ending". Ewwww! :eek: Although it does remind me of this one coach...er, never mind.

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Goat-tending needs two T's, and should be hyphenated.

just read my original thread title...oh lordy, is it Friday yet? :(

What does Friday have to do with goats? :confused:

;):)

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Who You Gonna Call ??? Mythbusters ...
 

The backboard has nothing to do with goaltending. Goaltending when a player touches the ball during a try, or tap, while it is in its downward flight, entirely above the basket ring level and has the possibility of entering the basket. On most layups, the ball is going up after it contacts the backboard. It is legal to pin the ball against the backboard if it still on the way up and not in the imaginary cylinder above the basket.

The play described is not goaltending in either NFHS or NCAA games.

Will there be a separate thread about goat beginning?

T.G.I.F.

Thank Goats It's Friday!

well, at least I haven't heard "hey ref, you're officiating like "goats" out there!:eek:

Ah...no, we don't. What you describe is NOT goaltending in the NBA.

From the NBA Rule Book.

A player shall not:
During a field goal attempt, touch a ball after it has touched any part of the backboard above ring level, whether the ball is considered on its upward or downward flight.

This is the same as the NCAA rule.

Anybody know when this rule was changed and why? I realize the backboard now does not make it goaltending but when I played(dating myself) it was goaltending and I am wondering when the change occurred and what the rational behind it was. Of course I did not read a rule book as a player so I could be wrong but I do not think so. Seems like it would be a lot easier for officials with the old 'once it touches the backboard' goatending vs the more decision making rule of today.

As a fan I think I like the old rule better. More of an advantage toward the smaller player. Once the player gets the ball on the backboard he knew it was safe from being blocked.

All this goat talk got me wondering: Why haven't we heard from Billy on this one yet? :D

Afaik, the rule has never changed in NFHS rules. It's been the same for the last 50 years anyway. Goaltending has always been defined as touching a shot that has a chance to go in on the way down. The FED issued periodic interpretations that noted that touching a shot after it hit the glass had to meet the exact same criteria defined in the GT rule. We had to judge whether the touch after the ball hit the glass was on the way up or on the way down, and then rule accordingly. Iow, it's always been a straight judgment call.

This is one rule that I can see the FED changing to the NCAA rule sometime in the future...to make our job easier and take out some of the judgment factor.

This is the bit that's different from NCAA (and NBE). The glass is irrelevant to the NFHS rule.

In the other codes, once the ball touches the glass above the rim, you can have GT even when the ball is still going up.

And iirc the NCAA only changed their GT rule a couple of years ago to match the NBE. Before that it was the same as the the NFHS.

my bad, good point about being ABOVE ring level...

I vote for this explanation.

Correct.

The OP meant Goa-tending, just (about) as he spelt.

Maybe he meant he wanted to know about going to Goa and tending bar?

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What old rule? It hasn't changed. Contacting the ball after it's hit the backboard has never been GT unless it was above the rim and on it's way down.

I believe the NCAA changed the rule recently. Now, if it hits the backboard, it doesn't matter whether it's going up or down. If it's above the rim, it's goaltending.

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You might want to read his earlier post:

Except when it is a proper name. In that case it is just fine.

Just ask Jonathan Goatending of Bridger, Montana.

Earl "The Goat" Manigold must be smiling :D

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(I'll bet BillyMac's head is spinning right now. It's probably like holding an AA meeting at the local tavern.)

Billy "Goat" Mac fell of that wagon a long time ago.

Genesis 30:38-39
 

"When the animals were in heat as they came to drink, the goats mated by the rods, and so they brought forth streaked, speckled and spotted kids."

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