Good Sportsmanship
I saw a TV commercial the other day in which a basketball game is being played, and the teams come to the benches for a timeout. As the timeout begins, one of the players tells his coach that he touched the ball before it went out of bounds and that they don't deserve to have the ball. The kid asks his coach to talk to the ref and tell him that he touched it before it went out. His teammates start telling him that the ref didn't see it and that it's a championship game. The kid replies that he touched it and that it's not right for them to have the ball. The coach doesn't say anything and starts going over instructions.
Then, as the teams break the huddle, the coach makes eye contact with the kid ans says, "Hey, it's your call." The commercial then cuts away, and the announcer does a pitch for good sportsmanship. As the commercial goes off, they show the kid approaching the ref talking to him. Question: How would you handle such a situation? If an honest kid approached you like that after a timeout and said he was the one who touched it last, what would you do? |
Nothing. Nothing you can do. This is totally unbelievable and totally unrealistic.
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Better question. What are you going to do when the player thinks they caused the ball to go out of bounds and you know the ball did not go off of them last?
Then again, we know this is never going to happen. But something to think about. :D Peace |
I've seen said commercial. Like others have said, it's a totally unrealistic setting. The call wouldn't be changed. The only way I could see this working is if for some reason, the player said he caused it to go out of bounds immediately when the play is over. The only way I could see this is if the player raised his hand immediately. Even this, I wouldn't believe it right way.
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Today, 0830 I am doing the first of my two "All-Star" Games. B7/8. Yep, this is the only 7 and 8 yr old game I do all year......and, it's a solo act. Pretty good game really. Of course, at this age as long as you know a foul, travel, and a jump ball, you can pretty much call the game! Anyhow, late in the third quarter I'm at the foul line extended, and the ball is shot from my side, misses everything is pin-balled around on the other side of the court and I am horribly screened. Ball goes out of bounds. I thought (I know, I know) it was off blue, but honest couldn't see well, and announce it as such. White ball. As I am about to put the ball in play, a little boy 23W comes over to me and says in a very soft voice, "Mr. Official, the ball was off me, it should be blue ball." Me - :) I announce to the gym, "Ladies and gentlemen, this young man said the ball was off him. Blue ball." And don't ya know the parents and fans applauded the little boy's honesty. Really a great moment and great way to end the yr. |
In high school ball - never would happen and if it did I would have a hard time changing my call.
But, I do a church league where this kind of behavior is encouraged. I actually saw a coach discipline a player for blocking a shot of a handicapped opponent. There are leagues where this kind of sportsmanship is not uncommon. But, even in these leagues poor sportmanship abounds as well... |
Sounds to me like it would be a good time for a 5 second violation on the throw in.
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While I've never had that happen in basketball, I've had that happen once or twice in soccer when I was working solo and didn't have the best angle, and I had no problem telling the player, "if you want to give up the throw-in, go right ahead." Granted, soccer officiating empasizes judgment more than the black-and-white world of basketball, but consider this: If you decline someone forfeiting the throw-in, all they would do is stand out of bounds and take the five-second count, anyway. While we can't set aside free throws that are ordered, I don't believe this applies to throw-ins. (If someone has documentation that states otherwise, please post.) As for JRut's question, I say you handle it like any other objection: state what actually happened, and let's play. |
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I think we all agree the call cannot be changed by rule in that particular scenario, but the message of the commercial is still a good one to get across. |
I appreciate your honesty, but that's not how I saw it.
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I didn't see the commercial, I was only commenting on how it was described. If it happened differently, then I reserve my right to change my opinion.
It is a message that is worth getting out there more, however. |
Different sport, but similar scenario:
My son plays in an 11-12u baseball league. During one game, one of our hitters swung at a pitch, and the catcher inadvertently interfered when his mitt made contact with the bat. The contact slowed the bat down to the point that when it made contact with the ball, the ball just dribbled out to the pitcher, who made an easy throw to first for the out. After the play our coach walked to home plate and asked the umpire if he saw the contact. The catcher turned, held up his gloved hand, and admitted to the umpire that he had made contact with the bat. The umpire looked at him for a moment, then looked at our coach, and said, "I didn't see it." Our coach turned, scruffed the kid on the head, smiled, and told him, "I appreciate your honesty, Tyler, but you should probably keep that to yourself." Unfortunately, we don't have enough of that kind of sportsmanship. |
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I think it is pretty cool how they do it in soccer/futbol, but that is something that is 'expected' from the earliest levels of the sport. Not so the case in hoops.
As for the commercial, at the end you see the official start to make a signal then hear a whistle with the NCAA slide appearing. It is giving you the impression that the call WAS changed. But I wouldn't bet on it....oh wait that is another commercial. |
BTW - what product was the commercial for - ritalin? :p
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If you ask me, which seldom ever happens, the OP would go past good sportsmanship and into something else. Mistakes, both real and imagined, by the officials are a part of the game. Hopefully, the real ones will balance themselves and put no team at at disadvantage. So why give one back?
This would be the equivalent of a slow roller taking a funny hop over the first baseman's glove into right field. The hitter says it isn't fair and heads to the dugout. |
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Its SOCCER, who cares:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D |
Tell the kid: "Just a min. Stand over there (behind the line). Here just hold this ball. Now explain what you were saying again."
Kid: "It should be blue ball. I touched it last" You: "Really I didn't see it." TWEEET "Five Seconds. Blue Ball" |
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Panther, sweet idea, but you might not get away with it if you must have a visible count, and have to explain what you just did. :D |
OMG, we had the OP tonight, but not in a championship game. In a JV girls summer league game. both teams from the same school. Partner calls black ball OOB, I hear someone from the stands yell, "Come on Suzie (not sure about the name), own up and tell them you hit it out of bounds."
Suzie: "I did!" No, partner did not change the call. |
How about this scenario:
Two outs in the 9th with a perfect game on the line. Batter hits a slow roller between 1st and 2nd. The 1B fields it and tosses to the pitcher covering. The batter is out by about a step. The 1st base umpire incorrectly calls him safe. The runner knows it and tells the umpire that he missed the call. ;) |
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somewhere, don denkinger is smiling
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Had something similar to this on the track this spring. High school, 4x100 relay. Red team was flagged for exchanging the baton beyond the exchange on the third exchange. They crossed the finish line first, but were disqualified.
When the awards custodian went to hand the first place plaques to the anchor of the Blue team in the next lane, the young man said he didn't want them. He explained that when he started his acceleration in that exchange zone, he went out of his lane and interfered with the Red team which caused them to be beyond the exchange zone. I understand that the young man later apologized to the Red team and their coach and gave the Red anchor his 1st place plaque. Unfortunately, I had to let the official results stand. |
Total class from both the umpire and pitcher.
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I've seen this commercial a number of times and every time I see it, it doesn't look like the kid actually touched the ball. :confused:
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