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BktBallRef Thu May 27, 2010 08:43pm

The NBA allows a "Heat of the Moment" reaction to a call. As long as the player doesn't direct his reaction toward the official, such as an "air punch," and regains his composure rather quickly, a technical shouldn't be called. That's the NBA guideline and appears to be why it was rescinded.

I see NBA players say "That's BS" all the time. That's not usually enough to get a technical.

Also, I think there's a huge difference in what a 16 y/o HS player is allowed to say to an official versus what a professional basketball player is allowed to say. It's apples to oranges.

APG Thu May 27, 2010 08:47pm

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Originally Posted by bktballref (Post 678976)
the nba allows a "heat of the moment" reaction to a call. As long as the player doesn't direct his reaction toward the official, such as an "air punch," and regains his composure rather quickly, a technical shouldn't be called. That's the nba guideline and appears to be why it was rescinded.

I see nba players say "that's bs" all the time. That's not usually enough to get a technical.

Also, i think there's a huge difference in what a 16 y/o hs player is allowed to say to an official versus what a professional basketball player is allowed to say. It's apples to oranges.

+1

Nevadaref Fri May 28, 2010 03:56am

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 678976)
The NBA allows a "Heat of the Moment" reaction to a call. As long as the player doesn't direct his reaction toward the official, such as an "air punch," and regains his composure rather quickly, a technical shouldn't be called. That's the NBA guideline and appears to be why it was rescinded.

I see NBA players say "That's BS" all the time. That's not usually enough to get a technical.

Also, I think there's a huge difference in what a 16 y/o HS player is allowed to say to an official versus what a professional basketball player is allowed to say. It's apples to oranges.

Maybe that shouldn't be allowed. I would prefer that poor behavior be penalized at all levels.

Adam Fri May 28, 2010 07:00am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 678997)
Maybe that shouldn't be allowed. I would prefer that it poor behavior be penalized at all levels.

Since I don't have access to their thoughts, I have to make an assumption. I assume NBA dropped the issue because the fans didn't like seeing their favorite players get rung up when the NBA instituted the zero tolerance policy a couple of years ago.

Too bad.

bainsey Fri May 28, 2010 10:13am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 679005)
I assume NBA dropped the issue because the fans didn't like seeing their favorite players get rung up when the NBA instituted the zero tolerance policy a couple of years ago.

Business is business, you know. A dollar is always a dollar. Ultimately, in the NBA, that's what motivates decisions, because that's what motivates the business world.

In our amateur basketball world, that's something we won't have to worry about as much.

Nevadaref Fri May 28, 2010 12:56pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 679005)
Since I don't have access to their thoughts, I have to make an assumption. I assume NBA dropped the issue because the fans didn't like seeing their favorite players get rung up when the NBA instituted the zero tolerance policy a couple of years ago.

Too bad.

It wasn't that they didn't like seeing players receive technical fouls, many fans actually enjoy an opposing player getting whacked. It gives them the opportunity to give that player grief.

The issue was that fans were complaining that they paid to see so and so and that individual got 2 Ts and tossed in the 2nd quarter and the fan feels that he didn't get his money's worth from the show.

In a nutshell, that's why it's the NBE.

Jurassic Referee Fri May 28, 2010 02:17pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 679097)
It wasn't that they didn't like seeing players receive technical fouls, many fans actually enjoy an opposing player getting whacked. It gives them the opportunity to give that player grief.

The issue was that fans were complaining that they paid to see so and so and that individual got 2 Ts and tossed in the 2nd quarter and the fan feels that he didn't get his money's worth from the show.

In a nutshell, that's why it's the NBE.

If BronBron or Kobe hadda done the exact same thing as Perkins in a key playoff game where each already had a "T", do you think that any official in the league(except for maybe Joey Crawford) is gonna give them a second "T" for doing exactly what Perkins did? Naw, don't think so. I've seen both of 'em get away with a heckuva lot worse so far in the playoffs this year.

I remember seeing and hearing Michael Jordan in his prime mofo an official up one side and down the other about a call that official had just made against the Bulls. Called him everything but a Republican. In his defense though, that official finally got pissed-off enough at MJ to give Dennis Rodman a "T".

That's why it's the NBE! :D

CLH Fri May 28, 2010 03:03pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 679111)
If BronBron or Kobe hadda done the exact same thing as Perkins in a key playoff game where each already had a "T", do you think that any official in the league(except for maybe Joey Crawford STEVE Javie!) is gonna give them a second "T" for doing exactly what Perkins did? Naw, don't think so.

;)

Jurassic Referee Fri May 28, 2010 03:11pm

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Originally Posted by CLH (Post 679116)
;)

Agree...with no smiley. Javie will take care of bidness. His injury hurt the league in this year's playoffs..

Nevadaref Fri May 28, 2010 03:34pm

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Originally Posted by btaylor64 (Post 679117)
The coaches ... DI ... They can scratch you as an official in a minute! And they will!

That is totally FALSE. D1 coaches do NOT get to scratch officials. You don't have your facts straight. Stick to the pro game.

Jurassic Referee Fri May 28, 2010 04:34pm

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Originally Posted by btaylor64 (Post 679117)
I'm not hating on the college game by any means, I am just a believer that the pro game is harder to manage and referee, and every single game is on TV! no nights off!

And I agree also that the NBA is harder to manage and referee. But that's partially because of the star system involved. I can't believe that anybody could stand up and say with a straight face that LeBron James and Kobe Bryant are treated the exact same as the Kendrick Perkins of the world. My eyes tell me different. And I ain't a fanboy either. It's gotta be tough knowing that you have to go out there and apply different criteria than simply just calling the game.

The NBA created the problem. It's up to the NBA to fix the problem. And anybody that thinks that the NBA doesn't have a problem has their head buried completely in the sand.

JMO.

Jurassic Referee Fri May 28, 2010 04:40pm

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Originally Posted by btaylor64 (Post 679117)
They can scratch you as an official in a minute! And they will! I can't say that I blame the officials for not whacking them either, cause it could cost them games or even their conference job.

Gee, that's gotta be news for Bobby Knight and Ted Valentine. Knight tried like hell for years to get away from Teddy V. Never happened. And who supposedly had more stroke in the college game than Knight? And who ended up outlasting Knight?

Don't think so, Ben.

dahoopref Fri May 28, 2010 04:48pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 679121)
That is totally FALSE. D1 coaches do NOT get to scratch officials. You don't have your facts straight. Stick to the pro game.

Respectfully disagree here with you Nev.

I know of a few mentors who tell me it does exist. Tim Floyd was notorious for scratching officials who didn't kow-tow to him.

Adam Fri May 28, 2010 04:53pm

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Originally Posted by dahoopref (Post 679132)
Respectfully disagree here with you Nev.

I know of a few mentors who tell me it does exist. Tim Floyd was notorious for scratching officials who didn't kow-tow to him.

Are those mentors also working as D1 assigners for the Pac-10 or another big conference?

dahoopref Fri May 28, 2010 05:00pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 679134)
Are those mentors also working as D1 assigners for the Pac-10 or another big conference?

Yes.

Also Bill McCabe will be named as the new Big West Supervisor of Officials; you heard it here first. ;)


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