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Raymond Tue May 18, 2010 02:52pm
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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 677374)
I'm glad you didn't point out the difference. "Whoever" was the subject of its clause, and thus correctly in the nominative case. "Whomever" would have been wrong. ;)
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Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 677375)
Hmm, that's not the way I learned it. "Whomever" should be the subject of a clause, while "whoever" is the subject of the verb.

Whoever and Whomever | Grammar Rules
I'm with byron on this one. "Whoever" is the subject of the verb "authored". In fact, "Whoever" is also the subject of the verb "failed".

M&M Guy Tue May 18, 2010 03:09pm
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 677380)
I'm with byron on this one. "Whoever" is the subject of the verb "authored".
Whomever brought this subject up should be shot. "Whomever brought this subject up" is the clause, and the clause is the subject of the verb. (Even though the word subject is used within the clause.)

I'm cleaning my shotgun now. Who (or is it whom?!?) wants the first shot?

Adam Tue May 18, 2010 03:17pm
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Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 677384)
Whomever (sic) brought this subject up should be shot. "Whomever brought this subject up" is the clause, and the clause is the subject of the verb. (Even though the word subject is used within the clause.)

I'm cleaning my shotgun now. Who (or is it whom?!?) wants the first shot?
Go to your link again, and read carefully.

You can shoot whoever is wrong. ("whoever" is the subject of the clause that serves as the object.)
or
You can shoot whomever you find to be wrong. ("whomever" is the object of the clause that serves as the object.)

M&M Guy Tue May 18, 2010 03:26pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 677385)
Go to your link again, and read carefully.

You can shoot whoever is wrong. ("whoever" is the subject of the clause that serves as the object.)
or
You can shoot whomever you find to be wrong. ("whomever" is the object of the clause that serves as the object.)
Ok, I'm confused. Are you backing me up, or proving me wrong? In NV's statement, "...whoever authored it failed to appreciate the difference...", "whoever" is the object of the clause "whoever authored it", and thus should be "whomever", correct? The main verb of the sentence is "failed", while the clause is the subject.

Should we start an Annual Off-Topic English Thread?

Adam Tue May 18, 2010 03:30pm
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Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 677387)
Ok, I'm confused. Are you backing me up, or proving me wrong? In NV's statement, "...whoever authored it failed to appreciate the difference...", "whoever" is the object of the clause "whoever authored it", and thus should be "whomever", correct? The main verb of the sentence is "failed", while the clause is the subject.

Should we start an Annual Off-Topic English Thread?
Whoever is the subject, in that "whoever" is the person who did the action (both actions in this case.)
If "whoever" had been failed, as in, "you failed me, Bob," then "whomever" would have been an appropriate replacement for "me."

And no, my head hurts too bad for a Tuesday.

M&M Guy Tue May 18, 2010 03:41pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 677389)
And no, my head hurts too bad for a Tuesday.
Now mine does too.

But this allows me to complete the argument in my favor, and always makes me feel better:

Shut up.

:D

JRutledge Tue May 18, 2010 03:42pm
Who the hell cares? :p

Peace

Adam Tue May 18, 2010 03:49pm
Well, as long as M&M feels better....

Jurassic Referee Tue May 18, 2010 03:58pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 677391)
Who the hell cares?
Whoever the hell cares?

Whomever the hell cares?

:D

Raymond Tue May 18, 2010 04:13pm
SHUT UP!!!

To whomever that applies.

JRutledge Tue May 18, 2010 04:16pm
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 677395)
SHUT UP!!!

To whomever that applies.
Who the hell are you? :)

Peace

Adam Tue May 18, 2010 04:22pm
The bell tolls for whomever, that's whom.

Still not sure why we're talking about interior mommy parts.

Nevadaref Tue May 18, 2010 09:25pm
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M&M Guy Wed May 19, 2010 08:56am
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 677421)
Hey! You started this!!

:D

BillyMac Sat May 29, 2010 01:07pm
Nobody Noticed, Nobody Complained ...
 
Thanks for everybody's input. I believe that the best citation was *3.2.2 SITUATION C. Since Black 53 was not a player, but was bench personnel, at the time the scorekeeper called our attention to the problem, then there should have been no technical foul charged. I guess that the fact that the ball hadn't become live yet had no impact on the infraction.

I guess we screwed up. We charged the Black team with a technical foul, the White player missed both free throws, and we gave the ball to the White team at the division line, opposite the table.

Next time, we'll get it right.


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