Imagine having to make this call
 

Wow, I didn't realize it was that close. Fwiw, I believe the official clock is tied to the one on the basket, along with the LED's, so that's what would be used in any review, not the arena clock. But it would certainly have made for many an hour of discussions.

Duke conspiracy, I'm sure. :D

that image looks photoshopped

Shocked, shocked I am that you would even suggest such a thing! :rolleyes:

Who cares about the clocks? You can see the ball has left his hand just prior to the horn. It's really close, but the ball is on it's way.

YouTube - 2010 NCAA Championship Butler vs Duke - Final Shot

Red Light District ???
 

In NFHS rules the horn "trumps" the clock, and now, this year, the red light "trumps" the horn. Are NCAA rules similar?

And in driveway basketball, the horn trumps everything, because if you don't get out of the driveway when you hear the horn, you'll get run over! :eek:

Rule 2, Section 13
Art. 4. In games with a 10th-of-a-second game clock display and where an official courtside monitor is used, the reading of zeros on the game clock is to be used to determine whether a try for goal, a shot-clock violation or a foul occurred before or after the expiration of time in any period. When the game clock is not visible, the officials shall verify the original call with the use of the red/LED light(s). When the red/LED light(s) are not visible, the sounding of the game-clock horn shall be utilized. When definitive information is unattainable with the use of the monitor, the original call stands.

So - the methods used to determine if the shot got off in time, are, in order:

1) clock
2) red lights
3) horn
4) human

If that's not a commentary on how our society has evolved over the years, I don't know what is. Reliance on a human is on the bottom of the list. :(

How else would you have it done? :confused:

For comparison's sake, the listed order of importance under NBA rules:

Rule 13, Section 3
e. The officials will use the following to make their final decision in the order listed below regarding scoring, timing or fouls at the end of any period.

(1) Game clock or shot clock on top of backboard.
(2) LED lights.
(3) Game clock on the facades of the balcony.
(4) Game clock on score boards hanging from the ceiling.
(5) Superimposed TV clocks.

EXCEPTION: Clock malfunctions when clocks start early, late or freeze — Officials will use replay clock superimposed from TV production or stop watch.

Humans only. After all, humans play the game, let humans officiate the game. If not, then play the game with robots.

Not a fan of instant replay I'm guessing. ;) I can see your line of thinking for high school (though I'm not opposed to the rule change this year and any in the future that allows for more replay), but as we all know, there's too much money and jobs on the line at the upper levels for this to be done away with. If anything, we'll see more and more rules adaptations for replay.

I remember having this discussing two years ago. The wrap-around displays consistently lag the shot clocks by 0.1 to 0.2 seconds, my guess is it has to do with the processing time with those displays. I was at the Houston regional this year, and they actually removed the time display from all of the scoreboards when the clock was under a minute to go, so all you had to look at were the timers on the shot clocks.

This ruling is easy... just make them re-do the throw-in. :D :D

You're getting the hang of this blue font thing, g.

Exactly why they would have gone to the monitor had the shot gone in. The video doesn't lie!

Here's a better-quality video.

On Zoubek's final free throw, watch the Butler player on the far side, closest to the block. He sort of pushes the Duke player out of the way.

Foul? Would you call it?

That ain't a foul at any level. The Dook player was passive and wasn't contesting anything. He was backing off making sure that he couldn't be called for anything. There was NO advantage gained by the contact and you sureasheck couldn't call it rough play.

You don't get to a game like that making foul calls like that. And if you did, you'd never be back.

Not a foul...

I saw that, too, but wouldn't call it for the reasons Jurassic lays out.

Said the Polish referee...

So, to extend your line of thinking, we should dispense with all electronic clocks and let the ref decide the game is over when they feel like the proper number of minutes has passed? or perhaps time the game with a sundial? (except in Oregon and Washington)