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bas2456 Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:05pm

Planned Timeout
 
This situation may or may not have happened at the end of the Tenn/MSU game yesterday.

MSU player on the line shooting the second of two. He made the first to put Sparty up by one. He purposely missed the second and let Tennessee get the rebound so the clock would start. Tennessee got a timeout right away.

What I don't know, was whether or not Tennessee had asked for the timeout before the free throw. Whether he actually did or not is irrelevant, but the situation I'm sure has come up before in your games.

How do you handle a player or coach saying to you something along the lines of "If we get this rebound we want a timeout"?

Nevadaref Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:12pm

"Okay, I'll look for your request, coach."

Adam Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:26pm

ask those who make assignments and evaluations in your area.

JRutledge Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:20am

I do not think it really matters what the person you assign says, mainly because you need to do what you know in the moment. I would not ever take a request without that request being made. Coaches change their minds all the time and will try to scapegoat you if you do something they do not like at the moment. Just ask the coach to make the request when you want the timeout and if they do not ask for the request, then do not call the timeout.

Peace

just another ref Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:38am

Normally, this is a moot point. Prearranged or not, the head coach, and likely others as well, hopefully including players, will start yelling timeout before the free throw ever reaches the rim.

Zoochy Tue Mar 30, 2010 08:42am

Putting time back on the clock
 
What bothered me about the play is when they went to the monitor to review the play they only took .2 seconds off the original time. I thought that at least .3 seconds had to come off the clock?

Adam Tue Mar 30, 2010 08:51am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoochy (Post 671551)
What bothered me about the play is when they went to the monitor to review the play they only took .2 seconds off the original time. I thought that at least .3 seconds had to come off the clock?

No such rule.

Indianaref Tue Mar 30, 2010 09:10am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 671555)
No such rule.

You're right as far as NFHS. What about NCAA?

grunewar Tue Mar 30, 2010 09:18am

I think we discussed this in the chatroom that it's an NBA rule that .3 comes off the clock. Don't recall NCAA.

Am I misremembering?

Raymond Tue Mar 30, 2010 09:21am

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 671563)
I think we discussed this in the chatroom that it's an NBA rule that .3 comes off the clock. Don't recall NCAA.

Am I misremembering?

No specified amount of time is indicated in the NCAA rule book.

grunewar Tue Mar 30, 2010 09:26am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 671565)
No specified amount of time is indicated in the NCAA rule book.

It was discussed that this might not be a bad thing as to take the guesswork out of just how long it was .......if it is.3 each time, makes it simpler.

Pantherdreams Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:38am

Ahh and this is where officiating FIBA has an upside. No live ball timeouts, all timeouts must be directed to the table by the coach during dead ball situations.

Adam Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:40am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams (Post 671606)
Ahh and this is where officiating FIBA has an upside. No live ball timeouts, all timeouts must be directed to the table by the coach during dead ball situations.

Live ball timeouts are such a part of our game here, I'd hate to lose them.

BillyMac Tue Mar 30, 2010 04:55pm

You Have Got To Be Kidding ??? Unless You're Really A Coach ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 671608)
Live ball timeouts are such a part of our game here, I'd hate to lose them..

Fixed it for you.

Adam Tue Mar 30, 2010 05:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 671691)
Fixed it for you.

Wasn't kidding, and keep your blue ink to yourself. :)

Rich Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 671691)
Fixed it for you.

I agree with Snaq. Live ball timeouts and coach-requested timeouts don't bother me a bit. On my list of desired changes, these don't even appear.

Jurassic Referee Wed Mar 31, 2010 06:17am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 671699)
Wasn't kidding, and keep your stoopid blue ink to yourself.

Fixed it for ya.

BillyMac Wed Mar 31, 2010 06:40am

Time Outs Will Never Go Back To The Olden Days ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 671608)
Live ball timeouts are such a part of our game here, I'd hate to lose them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 671792)
I agree with Snaq. Live ball timeouts and coach-requested timeouts don't bother me a bit. On my list of desired changes, these don't even appear.

Check this out:

UConn-Syracuse Time Out - Basketballrefs.com

Adam Wed Mar 31, 2010 07:50am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 671803)

Yep, and we all agree how to handle it, except for one.

Raymond Wed Mar 31, 2010 07:53am

Aren't they times-out?

BillyMac Wed Mar 31, 2010 06:26pm

Thought Some Of You Would Disagree With This ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 671811)
Yep, and we all agree how to handle it, except for one.

You agree with our little corner of Connecticut interpretation?

This (below) is how our local high school association has decided to handle this (Syracuse-Connecticut time out request) situation. It appears that we are now expected to hear, and/or see, a time out request, make sure that it is the head coach, and then check to make sure that the time out request may be granted. Also, all or our local interpreters will get together in the off season to come up with some statewide guidelines, hopefully with the input of the NFHS, and/or IAABO international. These guidelines will be presented to both officials and coaches, statewide, in the late fall.

Coach Requesting Time-out: The NFHS rule book (Rule 5-8-3) and IAABO mechanics 2-person manual (Page 79) do not provide a level of specificity to guide how we officiate this request. Here is how we should officiate this:

1) The official must see the head coach to confirm he/she is requesting the time-out.

2) The official should not turn away to see a head coach at the expense of not providing coverage. Thus, the official may need to move his/her court coverage to view both the play and team bench. If your back is to coach and you are within a few feet of the standing coach, use common sense. You may not need to turn and view the coach.

3) Upon recognizing a request for a time-out by the head coach, the official must then check to see if a time-out request can be granted (Rule 5-8-3) ball is dead; ball is live and in possession of a thrower-in; player control exists) prior to granting (blowing the whistle) the time-out.


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