Announcer Speak

[Jmuvol]

A couple from this past weekend that I found cute. Both were from Tennessee games...yes I'm a fan boy for UT but I digress.

#1: Tennessee Women vs Baylor. About 3 minutes in, Baylor player is called for a travel. Color commentator says..."I think they missed that call. All she did was a jump stop and then pivot."

#2: Tennessee Men vs. Michigan State. Late in the game, Michigan State player slides in front of a Tennessee player for a screen and creams him. Talking head exclaims,"what a screen!" This is about the time they hit the whistle and send it the other way.

And yes, even as a fan boy, I have no doubt the call at the end of the UT/Michigan State game was a foul. That was way to easy of a call.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Jmuvol

A couple from this past weekend that I found cute. Both were from Tennessee games...yes I'm a fan boy for UT but I digress.

#1: Tennessee Women vs Baylor. About 3 minutes in, Baylor player is called for a travel. Color commentator says..."I think they missed that call. All she did was a jump stop and then pivot."

Nothing like a little affirmation that the correct call as made.

[Juulie Downs]

The worst was a week ago, I don't remember which game. A1 dribbles down around the arc, then cuts toward the basket. Just outside the key, he starts to plow a stationary B1, but then pulls back at the last minute. Creates some contact, B1 falls backward. IMO it could have been PC, but refs no-call. A1 starts to cut around, then loses the ball, B2 picks it up, action runs the other way.

Announcers called it a flop. Then, "when the dribbler creates contact like that, the refs have got to call that flop. It's gotta be a block. [Any second year ref would know there was no block there it was either PC or nothing]. Look how that flop created an advantage for B. A bobbled that ball and lost it just because of that flop. The refs really handed B that easy layup at the other end. That's just a really bad call, because...." yadda, yadda, yadda.

They replayed it about 19 times from 5 different angles showing how the "flop" clearly created the advantage for B. No mention of what A might have accomplished if he hand't run the guy, er, I mean, almost run the guy down.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

The worst was a week ago, I don't remember which game. A1 dribbles down around the arc, then cuts toward the basket. Just outside the key, he starts to plow a stationary B1, but then pulls back at the last minute. Creates some contact, B1 falls backward. IMO it could have been PC, but refs no-call. A1 starts to cut around, then loses the ball, B2 picks it up, action runs the other way.

Announcers called it a flop. Then, "when the dribbler creates contact like that, the refs have got to call that flop. It's gotta be a block. [Any second year ref would know there was no block there it was either PC or nothing]. Look how that flop created an advantage for B. A bobbled that ball and lost it just because of that flop. The refs really handed B that easy layup at the other end. That's just a really bad call, because...." yadda, yadda, yadda.

They replayed it about 19 times from 5 different angles showing how the "flop" clearly created the advantage for B. No mention of what A might have accomplished if he hand't run the guy, er, I mean, almost run the guy down.

May not be the play you recall, but it sounds very similar. I wish that I could remember the exact game, but the announcer was definitely Len Elmore, so I can determine at which site it was played. The post player on the block bumped into the defender who went down, then the offensive player tried to make a move into the lane and lost the ball. The result was a scrum on the floor and a held ball. Len babbled about it being a flop and needing to be penalized. I actually thought that it was a PC foul.

[Mark Padgett]

Back in the olden days before I came to Oregon, I worked in radio and did play-by-play on HS football and basketball, plus some local college basketball games. During one HS BB game, my color commentator thought an OOB call should not have been called when a player stepped on the line because his defender had committed a "force out". During a spot (in the "business", commercials are called "spots") off the air, I told him there was no such rule in HS. He hardly said a word the rest of the game.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Back in the olden days... his defender had committed a "force out".

Back when I was playing in the 60's, the 1960's, not the 1860's, I remember "force outs". I can't remember if "force outs" were called in pickup games in the driveway, or in organized games with officials. Was there ever such a rule, or is this just one of those urban myths?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Back when I was playing in the 60's, the 1960's, not the 1860's, I remember "force outs". I can't remember if "force outs" were called in pickup games in the driveway, or in organized games with officials. Was there ever such a rule, or is this just one of those urban myths?

It was, and might still be (I wouldn't know and don't really care) an NBA rule.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Back when I was playing in the 60's, the 1960's, not the 1860's, I remember "force outs". I can't remember if "force outs" were called in pickup games in the driveway, or in organized games with officials. Was there ever such a rule, or is this just one of those urban myths?

The NBA definitely had a force out rule. I'm not sure about HS. I'll consult the NFHS handbook.

[SethPDX]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

May not be the play you recall, but it sounds very similar. I wish that I could remember the exact game, but the announcer was definitely Len Elmore, so I can determine at which site it was played. The post player on the block bumped into the defender who went down, then the offensive player tried to make a move into the lane and lost the ball. The result was a scrum on the floor and a held ball. Len babbled about it being a flop and needing to be penalized. I actually thought that it was a PC foul.

Xavier-Kansas State. I stopped listening when he said something like, "You shouldn't benefit from a flop like that."

[bainsey]

My favorite one this season is from one of the NCAA men's games (forget which one, and who the announcers were):

(TWEET!)
Play-by-play: "...and he's called for a reach-in foul."
(The two announcers review the replay.)
Color: "Well, he definitely reached in, but he didn't touch him."

I do a little announcing on the side. Sometime I wonder if I should do a clinic for announcers when I get a few more years under my belt.

[Raymond]

I might need to see the play again as I only saw it once, during halftime highlights of the Duke game, but I didn't think that was a foul on Tennessee at the end of the game.

Look to me that the UT player's elbow hit the ball during his block attempt.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I might need to see the play again as I only saw it once, during halftime highlights of the Duke game, but I didn't think that was a foul on Tennessee at the end of the game.

Look to me that the UT player's elbow hit the ball during his block attempt.

I agree. Looked unusual, but clean. L called across the paint. I don't know if the C had anything or not. (You know what they say about calling across the paint).

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I agree. Looked unusual, but clean. L called across the paint. I don't know if the C had anything or not. (You know what they say about calling across the paint).

I saw the same thing, the L looked straightlined to me; but maybe he saw something on the backside.
I am, however, trying to imagine the uproar if this call hadn't been made. ESPN guy (not sure who) stated (paraphrasing), "you hate to see the officials determine the outcome like this, but it's clearly a foul."

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I saw the same thing, the L looked straightlined to me; but maybe he saw something on the backside.
I am, however, trying to imagine the uproar if this call hadn't been made. ESPN guy (not sure who) stated (paraphrasing), "you hate to see the officials determine the outcome like this, but it's clearly a foul."

There was a lot worse passed on during the game.

Talked to a friend of mine this morning. Told him I thought it was pretty clean, actually. He said, "but the defense got beat badly and it looked like a foul -- they're going to call that." And he's not an official.